Re: citations etc

Hi all,

I won't be able to make it, but if you do make a call, please discuss the
planned face-to-face meeting.

Thanks,
John

On 25 June 2018 at 10:11, Jorge Gracia <jogracia@unizar.es> wrote:

> Hi Fahad, all,
>
> > Just to confirm. There's a call at 1300 cet today right?
>
> I think so. (However, I cannot be punctual today and will join a bit
> later; sorry about that.)
>
> BTW, I have expanded our set of definitions at https://www.w3.org/
> community/ontolex/wiki/Lexicography#June_2018 with more details,
> particularly with Fahad's view taken from their Euralex paper. @Fahad:
> please feel free to correct me or to add anything else
>
> Best,
> Jorge
>
>
> El lun., 25 jun. 2018 a las 10:58, Fahad Khan (<anasfkhan81@gmail.com>)
> escribió:
>
>> Hi everyone
>> Just to confirm. There's a call at 1300 cet today right?
>> Cheers
>> Fahad
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2018, 13:10 John McCrae, <john.mccrae@insight-centre.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> As many people seem to be busy, I propose we skip the call today and
>>> have the next call in two weeks on the 25th.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> John
>>>
>>> On 11 June 2018 at 11:27, Jorge Gracia <jogracia@unizar.es> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Philipp, all,
>>>>
>>>> I copied the minutes of the last telco in the wiki  (
>>>> https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Teleconference,_
>>>> 2018.05.28,_13-14_pm_CEST).
>>>>
>>>> Also, I started collecting the proposed definitions for "attestation"
>>>> at https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Lexicography#June_2018
>>>> (feel free to add/modify anything)
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Jorge
>>>>
>>>> El lun., 11 jun. 2018 a las 9:49, Philipp Cimiano (<cimiano@cit-ec.uni-
>>>> bielefeld.de>) escribió:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>>   the next telco is today at 13:00 CET. I mentioned that I am
>>>>> travelling and that I can not attend.
>>>>>
>>>>> The first today would be to agree IMHO on a common understanding of
>>>>> the concept of attestation. I proposed the following definition:
>>>>>
>>>>> Attestation: An attestation is a reference to a source that proves
>>>>> that the lexical entry has a certain linguistic property (e.g. a sense).
>>>>>
>>>>> Once you have agreed on a common definition, it might be worth going
>>>>> in detail through the examples provided by Fahad.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Philipp.
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 11.06.18 um 09:34 schrieb Jorge Gracia:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Philipp, all,
>>>>>
>>>>> When is the next telco taking place? today? next week?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> El lun., 4 jun. 2018 a las 15:26, Julia Bosque Gil (<jbosque@fi.upm.es>)
>>>>> escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am available next Monday (11th) and the following week (18th).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Julia
>>>>>>
>>>>>> El lun., 4 jun. 2018 a las 12:42, Katrien Depuydt (<
>>>>>> Katrien.Depuydt@ivdnt.org>) escribió:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am available next Monday, but the week after that as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Katrien
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Van:* Ilan Kernerman [mailto:ilan@kdictionaries.com]
>>>>>>> *Verzonden:* maandag 4 juni 2018 12:40
>>>>>>> *Aan:* Philipp Cimiano; public-ontolex@w3.org
>>>>>>> *Onderwerp:* RE: citations etc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will not be available next week. My apologies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ilan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Philipp Cimiano [mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>>>>>>> <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>]
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 04, 2018 1:32 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* public-ontolex@w3.org
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: citations etc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Fahad,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> if this is the case, then I propose we skip the teleconference
>>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would be good to have you available to discuss your paper and the
>>>>>>> definitions of attestation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I propose then we postpone to next week. I will not be available,
>>>>>>> but I think it is more important that other players are available (Fahad,
>>>>>>> Ilan, Katrien, etc.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will John or Julia be available for chairing next week?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Philipp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 04.06.18 um 12:23 schrieb Fahad Khan:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Philipp,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm afraid I won't be able to attend today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Fahad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4 June 2018 at 12:16, Philipp Cimiano <
>>>>>>> cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  thanks for this Ilan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @All. I had planned a telco for today as I will not be available for
>>>>>>> the next two weeks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And here is my proposed definition for an attestation:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attestation: An attestation is a reference to a source that proves
>>>>>>> that the lexical entry has a certain linguistic property (e.g. a sense).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I propose we talk at 13:00 today to touch base and see how we
>>>>>>> continue our discussion on attestation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Talk to you later,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Philipp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 02.06.18 um 12:46 schrieb Ilan Kernerman:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Following our last call, here are some suggestions:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ·         A *citation* consists of a quote from a corpus (text); it
>>>>>>> may either (i) include a reference to its origin (*bibl*), or (ii)
>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> o   An *attestation* is the reference to a source (*bibl*) without
>>>>>>> its actual *citation*.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> § (in other words, *bibl* and *attestation* might be similar, but
>>>>>>> the latter is not preceded by a *citation*)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ·         An *example of usage* (or *usage example*) is
>>>>>>> human-crafted, whether (i) corpus-inspired/derived, or (ii) not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> o   The *example* can consist of either a full sentence or a short
>>>>>>> phrase (and could also be a *citation*)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> § (there are different types of examples – mainly of general
>>>>>>> patterns, for reception/decoding purposes, active for production/encoding –
>>>>>>> but that is probably beyond the scope here)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This might seem like over-simplifying or distorting matters, but I
>>>>>>> hope it is useful for more accurate mapping/tagging.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think this does not contradict the concerns raised in Fahad’s
>>>>>>> article J:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “Lemon, unlike TEI-DICT, however focuses on capturing the
>>>>>>> conceptual content of a lexicon, that is, it takes a primarily lexical view
>>>>>>> of lexical resources… Hence there is no conflict here between the demands
>>>>>>> of fidelity to the text in its lexical view and the text in its editorial
>>>>>>> and typographical view as there is in TEI; lemon simply prioritises the
>>>>>>> former.”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “…a proper encoding of citations attesting to lexical properties
>>>>>>> must take into consideration at least two different kinds of conceptual
>>>>>>> entity: citations and attestations”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ilan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AG Semantic Computing
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AG Semantic Computing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Universität Bielefeld
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tel: +49 521 106 12249
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fax: +49 521 106 6560
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Julia Bosque Gil
>>>>>> PhD Student
>>>>>> Ontology Engineering Group <http://www.oeg-upm.net/>
>>>>>> Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial
>>>>>> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jorge Gracia, PhD
>>>>> Department of Computer Science and Systems Engineering
>>>>> University of Zaragoza
>>>>> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
>>>>> AG Semantic Computing
>>>>> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC)
>>>>> Universität Bielefeld
>>>>>
>>>>> Tel: +49 521 106 12249
>>>>> Fax: +49 521 106 6560
>>>>> Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>>>>>
>>>>> Office CITEC-2.307
>>>>> Universitätsstr. 21-25
>>>>> 33615 Bielefeld, NRW
>>>>> Germany
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jorge Gracia, PhD
>>>> Department of Computer Science and Systems Engineering
>>>> University of Zaragoza
>>>> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
> --
> Jorge Gracia, PhD
> Department of Computer Science and Systems Engineering
> University of Zaragoza
> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/
>