Re: citations etc

Hi Fahad, all,

> Just to confirm. There's a call at 1300 cet today right?

I think so. (However, I cannot be punctual today and will join a bit later;
sorry about that.)

BTW, I have expanded our set of definitions at
https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Lexicography#June_2018 with more
details, particularly with Fahad's view taken from their Euralex
paper. @Fahad: please feel free to correct me or to add anything else

Best,
Jorge


El lun., 25 jun. 2018 a las 10:58, Fahad Khan (<anasfkhan81@gmail.com>)
escribió:

> Hi everyone
> Just to confirm. There's a call at 1300 cet today right?
> Cheers
> Fahad
>
>
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2018, 13:10 John McCrae, <john.mccrae@insight-centre.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As many people seem to be busy, I propose we skip the call today and have
>> the next call in two weeks on the 25th.
>>
>> Regards,
>> John
>>
>> On 11 June 2018 at 11:27, Jorge Gracia <jogracia@unizar.es> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Philipp, all,
>>>
>>> I copied the minutes of the last telco in the wiki  (
>>> https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Teleconference,_2018.05.28,_13-14_pm_CEST
>>> ).
>>>
>>> Also, I started collecting the proposed definitions for "attestation" at
>>> https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Lexicography#June_2018 (feel
>>> free to add/modify anything)
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Jorge
>>>
>>> El lun., 11 jun. 2018 a las 9:49, Philipp Cimiano (<
>>> cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>) escribió:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>>   the next telco is today at 13:00 CET. I mentioned that I am
>>>> travelling and that I can not attend.
>>>>
>>>> The first today would be to agree IMHO on a common understanding of the
>>>> concept of attestation. I proposed the following definition:
>>>>
>>>> Attestation: An attestation is a reference to a source that proves that
>>>> the lexical entry has a certain linguistic property (e.g. a sense).
>>>>
>>>> Once you have agreed on a common definition, it might be worth going in
>>>> detail through the examples provided by Fahad.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Philipp.
>>>>
>>>> Am 11.06.18 um 09:34 schrieb Jorge Gracia:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Philipp, all,
>>>>
>>>> When is the next telco taking place? today? next week?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Jorge
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> El lun., 4 jun. 2018 a las 15:26, Julia Bosque Gil (<jbosque@fi.upm.es>)
>>>> escribió:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am available next Monday (11th) and the following week (18th).
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Julia
>>>>>
>>>>> El lun., 4 jun. 2018 a las 12:42, Katrien Depuydt (<
>>>>> Katrien.Depuydt@ivdnt.org>) escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am available next Monday, but the week after that as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Katrien
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Van:* Ilan Kernerman [mailto:ilan@kdictionaries.com]
>>>>>> *Verzonden:* maandag 4 juni 2018 12:40
>>>>>> *Aan:* Philipp Cimiano; public-ontolex@w3.org
>>>>>> *Onderwerp:* RE: citations etc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will not be available next week. My apologies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ilan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Philipp Cimiano [mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>>>>>> <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>]
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 04, 2018 1:32 PM
>>>>>> *To:* public-ontolex@w3.org
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: citations etc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Fahad,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if this is the case, then I propose we skip the teleconference today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be good to have you available to discuss your paper and the
>>>>>> definitions of attestation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I propose then we postpone to next week. I will not be available, but
>>>>>> I think it is more important that other players are available (Fahad, Ilan,
>>>>>> Katrien, etc.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will John or Julia be available for chairing next week?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Philipp.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 04.06.18 um 12:23 schrieb Fahad Khan:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Philipp,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm afraid I won't be able to attend today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Fahad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4 June 2018 at 12:16, Philipp Cimiano <
>>>>>> cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  thanks for this Ilan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @All. I had planned a telco for today as I will not be available for
>>>>>> the next two weeks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And here is my proposed definition for an attestation:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Attestation: An attestation is a reference to a source that proves
>>>>>> that the lexical entry has a certain linguistic property (e.g. a sense).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I propose we talk at 13:00 today to touch base and see how we
>>>>>> continue our discussion on attestation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Talk to you later,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Philipp.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 02.06.18 um 12:46 schrieb Ilan Kernerman:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Following our last call, here are some suggestions:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ·         A *citation* consists of a quote from a corpus (text); it
>>>>>> may either (i) include a reference to its origin (*bibl*), or (ii)
>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> o   An *attestation* is the reference to a source (*bibl*) without
>>>>>> its actual *citation*.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> § (in other words, *bibl* and *attestation* might be similar, but
>>>>>> the latter is not preceded by a *citation*)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ·         An *example of usage* (or *usage example*) is
>>>>>> human-crafted, whether (i) corpus-inspired/derived, or (ii) not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> o   The *example* can consist of either a full sentence or a short
>>>>>> phrase (and could also be a *citation*)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> § (there are different types of examples – mainly of general
>>>>>> patterns, for reception/decoding purposes, active for production/encoding –
>>>>>> but that is probably beyond the scope here)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This might seem like over-simplifying or distorting matters, but I
>>>>>> hope it is useful for more accurate mapping/tagging.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think this does not contradict the concerns raised in Fahad’s
>>>>>> article J:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “Lemon, unlike TEI-DICT, however focuses on capturing the conceptual
>>>>>> content of a lexicon, that is, it takes a primarily lexical view of lexical
>>>>>> resources… Hence there is no conflict here between the demands of fidelity
>>>>>> to the text in its lexical view and the text in its editorial and
>>>>>> typographical view as there is in TEI; lemon simply prioritises the former.
>>>>>> ”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “…a proper encoding of citations attesting to lexical properties
>>>>>> must take into consideration at least two different kinds of conceptual
>>>>>> entity: citations and attestations”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ilan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AG Semantic Computing
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AG Semantic Computing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Universität Bielefeld
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Julia Bosque Gil
>>>>> PhD Student
>>>>> Ontology Engineering Group <http://www.oeg-upm.net/>
>>>>> Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial
>>>>> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jorge Gracia, PhD
>>>> Department of Computer Science and Systems Engineering
>>>> University of Zaragoza
>>>> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
>>>> AG Semantic Computing
>>>> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC)
>>>> Universität Bielefeld
>>>>
>>>> Tel: +49 521 106 12249
>>>> Fax: +49 521 106 6560
>>>> Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jorge Gracia, PhD
>>> Department of Computer Science and Systems Engineering
>>> University of Zaragoza
>>> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/
>>>
>>
>>

-- 
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Department of Computer Science and Systems Engineering
University of Zaragoza
http://jogracia.url.ph/web/