Re: Translating Lemon/OntoLex (Help wanted)

Hi Elena,
i had started to enter a couple tranlation, and I too had the same doubts
that you so well summed up.
I agree on everything, especially on the fact that we should not use
capitalization of the first letter as if it were beginning of sentence
(unless the language requires it for that word, like in German).
In fact, as we all know, it is much easier to add a capital letter on
display, than to remove it (salva veritate!).

f.

2014-11-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 Elena Montiel Ponsoda <emontiel@fi.upm.es>:

> Dear John,
>
> Lupe and I were having a look at the translation of the ontolex labels and
> were wondering how "flexible" we can be with labels.
>
> We are of the opinion that labels should be as descriptive as possible
> (without being definitions, of course) in order to guarantee that users
> understand as quick and easy as possible the meaning of the concepts behind.
> It would be desirable that native users of a certain language are able to
> deduce what is meant by a certain label without having to look up the
> definition (or at least try it...). And that underestanding prevails over
> conciseness of the term. And not only understanding, but also fluency, I
> mean, using those words or expressions that are more natural and fluent to
> the native speaker instead of sticking to the original term in the
> Identifier (Not sure if it is clear what I mean...).
> For example, in the case of senseRelation, instead of saying "relación de
> sentidos", it would be more natural to say "relación entre sentidos".
> IN the case of "translatable as", we would say "se traduce como" instead
> of "traducible por", although the latter is 100% correct and would be more
> faithfull to the original, so to say...
>
> We were also wondering if we could use a verbal phrase in the translation
> of an objectProperty or dataTypeProperties.
> For example: writtenRep -> "tiene representación escrita", instead of
> "representación escrita", so that the directionality of the relation is
> clear and is not to be confused with "es representación escrita de"...
>
> In fact, I am not sure we are consistent in the names we have given to
> Identifiers, since in some case we use "isConceptOf" (for inversed
> relations?), whereas for the direct relations we just use the name/term in
> the identifier but not the verb. The question would be, why not using the
> verb and preposition, if needed, in the labels for properties? It would
> make labels more consistent.
>
> As for capitalization, you have use capital leters for all labels in
> English. We think that it may be better to use the conventions of each
> language. In the case of German, capital letters for nouns vs. lower case
> for verbs. In Spanish lower case for nouns and verbs, etc.
>
> It's all for now. More thoughts to come.
> Best,
> Elena.
>
>
> El 21/11/2014 15:51, John P. McCrae escribió:
>
>  Hi all,
>>
>> It would be good as the goal of this group is to help people to make
>> multilingual resources, if we made the Lemon/OntoLex model also available
>> with multiple translations. To this end I have started to collect
>> translations of all the labels in a spreadsheet here:
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yATI7qxZYD2huxExIwjQusWmT-
>> i2M70GEc5XvZyqhKE/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> If you have the time and inclination I would greatly appreciate
>> contributions, especially new languages.
>>
>> Regards,
>> John
>>
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