- From: Philipp Cimiano <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
- Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 15:55:24 +0100
- To: Jorge Gracia <jgracia@fi.upm.es>
- CC: "public-ontolex@w3.org" <public-ontolex@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <546617DC.8050607@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
OK, so what is the state of play of the provenance example? Best regards, Philipp. Am 14.11.14 11:50, schrieb Jorge Gracia: > Hi Philipp, > > I'm happy to see that there was an agreement on vartrans. I volunteer > to document it in the wiki and github if nobody else did it yet, > although not in the next few days I am afraid (I am overwhelmed with > other tasks!) > > For me it is fine to discuss the provenance example by email. I am > still not fully happy with so I would appreciate any comment > > Regards, > Jorge > > 2014-11-14 11:33 GMT+01:00 Philipp Cimiano > <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de > <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>>: > > Dear all, > > there has not been much activity on the mailinglist this week. > Further, I have no agenda points for today. I propose that we > cancel today's telco. > > I will work on the specification in the next weeks and hope that > we can have a final specification until end of the year. > > Jorge: can we discuss your provenance example via email? > > Have a good weekend, > > Philipp. > > Am 09.11.14 21:17, schrieb Philipp Cimiano: >> Jorge, ontolex members, >> >> last Friday we had an very intense telecoference, see minutes here: >> >> As important milestones, we decided the following: >> >> 1) accept proposal 3B of Jorge mentioned in the email below. With >> this we more or less conclude the work on the vartrans module, >> for which we decided to keep the name (vartrans). We still need >> to finish the discussion on representing provenance of >> translations however (Jorge: are you going to be available for >> the telco next week) >> >> 2) We discussed again the examples for the metadata module >> provided by Armando and Manuel and agreed on them essentially. We >> only discussed few things: whether a proxy resource for a dataset >> is needed (it is needed to add metadata essentially) and whether >> we need both a ontolex:Lexicon (as lexicon object) and a >> lime:Lexicon (as dataset). >> >> 3) We decided to have both integer and percentage properties for >> the coverage in the lime module. >> >> I think these are important milestones that conclude some of the >> open discussion we have been having in the last months. >> >> Talk to you all on the 14th to finalize other aspects of the model. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Philipp. >> >> Am 07.11.14 14:19, schrieb Jorge Gracia: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> After some internal discussions we are proposing (Elena, Lupe, >>> and myself) the following to accommodate the new notion of a >>> generic lexico-semantic relation in Lemon-Ontolex: >>> >>> 1) To add a generic "Lexico-semantic Relation" to the CORE >>> module (the name can be another one of course) for reifying >>> relations whenever it is necessary, and having the "source" and >>> "target" properties that we have discussed in the previous >>> telcos. It is specialised in "Lexical Relation" whenever the >>> relation is at the level of forms or lexical entries, and "Sense >>> Relation" whenever the relation is between senses. The >>> motivation of placing these in the core is to support ANY module >>> that wants to reuse the same reification mechanisms. >>> >>> Imágenes integradas 1 >>> >>> 2) Based on those classes, any type of specific relation could >>> be supported. Now it is our choice whether to include them as a >>> lemon module or as something external to the model. For >>> instance, new relations could be defined: "Morphological >>> derivation" (e.g., happy -> unhappy) at the lexical level or >>> "Antonymy" at the sense level, for instance. >>> >>> >>> Imágenes integradas 2 >>> >>> 3-A) Vartrans module: the Variant relation is proposed as a >>> specialisation of "Lexico-semantic Relation". Roughly speaking, >>> we understand "Variant" as a relation between two entities >>> (lexical entries, forms, senses, ...) that are interchangeable >>> under certain conditions, still keeping similar meanings (e.g., >>> "finger" -> "hand" are not variants, but "color" -> "colour" or >>> "bank"@en -> "banco"@es are variants). There are several >>> subclasses of Variant: "Lexical Variant" and "Translatable" are >>> variants that are lexical relations as well, and "Terminological >>> Variant" and "Translation" are variants that are also sense >>> relations. See the figure for some examples... >>> >>> Imágenes integradas 3 >>> >>> 3-B) However one could say that any possible variant is covered >>> already by the above referred subclasses "Lexical Variant", >>> "Translation", "Terminological Variant", ... So another scheme >>> without the "Variant" type is also possible, although loosing >>> the notion of a relation between entities that are exchangeable >>> under certain circumstances (which is given by "Variant"). >>> >>> Imágenes integradas 4 >>> >>> >>> I hope you find this reflections useful. Sorry we are not >>> available today for discussing it, but any feedback or comment >>> by email will be appreciated, and we can continue the discussion >>> in the following telco. >>> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Jorge, Elena, Lupe >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jorge Gracia, PhD >>> Ontology Engineering Group >>> Artificial Intelligence Department >>> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid >>> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/ >> >> -- >> -- >> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano >> AG Semantic Computing >> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) >> Universität Bielefeld >> >> Tel:+49 521 106 12249 <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%2012249> >> Fax:+49 521 106 6560 <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%206560> >> Mail:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de> >> >> Office CITEC-2.307 >> Universitätsstr. 21-25 >> 33615 Bielefeld, NRW >> Germany > > -- > -- > Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano > AG Semantic Computing > Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) > Universität Bielefeld > > Tel:+49 521 106 12249 <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%2012249> > Fax:+49 521 106 6560 <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%206560> > Mail:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de> > > Office CITEC-2.307 > Universitätsstr. 21-25 > 33615 Bielefeld, NRW > Germany > > > > > -- > Jorge Gracia, PhD > Ontology Engineering Group > Artificial Intelligence Department > Universidad Politécnica de Madrid > http://jogracia.url.ph/web/ -- -- Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano AG Semantic Computing Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) Universität Bielefeld Tel: +49 521 106 12249 Fax: +49 521 106 6560 Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de Office CITEC-2.307 Universitätsstr. 21-25 33615 Bielefeld, NRW Germany
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