Re: No ontolex telco today

OK, so what is the state of play of the provenance example?

Best regards,

Philipp.

Am 14.11.14 11:50, schrieb Jorge Gracia:
> Hi Philipp,
>
> I'm happy to see that there was an agreement on vartrans. I volunteer 
> to document it in the wiki and github if nobody else did it yet, 
> although not in the next few days I am afraid (I am overwhelmed with 
> other tasks!)
>
> For me it is fine to discuss the provenance example by email. I am 
> still not fully happy with so I would appreciate any comment
>
> Regards,
> Jorge
>
> 2014-11-14 11:33 GMT+01:00 Philipp Cimiano 
> <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de 
> <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>>:
>
>     Dear all,
>
>      there has not been much activity on the mailinglist this week.
>     Further, I have no agenda points for today. I propose that we
>     cancel today's telco.
>
>     I will work on the specification in the next weeks and hope that
>     we can have a final specification until end of the year.
>
>     Jorge: can we discuss your provenance example via email?
>
>     Have a good weekend,
>
>     Philipp.
>
>     Am 09.11.14 21:17, schrieb Philipp Cimiano:
>>     Jorge, ontolex members,
>>
>>      last Friday we had an very intense telecoference, see minutes here:
>>
>>     As important milestones, we decided the following:
>>
>>     1) accept proposal 3B of Jorge mentioned in the email below. With
>>     this we more or less conclude the work on the vartrans module,
>>     for which we decided to keep the name (vartrans). We still need
>>     to finish the discussion on representing provenance of
>>     translations however (Jorge: are you going to be available for
>>     the telco next week)
>>
>>     2) We discussed again the examples for the metadata module
>>     provided by Armando and Manuel and agreed on them essentially. We
>>     only discussed few things: whether a proxy resource for a dataset
>>     is needed (it is needed to add metadata essentially) and whether
>>     we need both a ontolex:Lexicon (as lexicon object) and a
>>     lime:Lexicon (as dataset).
>>
>>     3) We decided to have both integer and percentage properties for
>>     the coverage in the lime module.
>>
>>     I think these are important milestones that conclude some of the
>>     open discussion we have been having in the last months.
>>
>>     Talk to you all on the 14th to finalize other aspects of the model.
>>
>>     Best regards,
>>
>>     Philipp.
>>
>>     Am 07.11.14 14:19, schrieb Jorge Gracia:
>>>     Dear all,
>>>
>>>     After some internal discussions we are proposing (Elena, Lupe,
>>>     and myself) the following to accommodate the new notion of a
>>>     generic lexico-semantic relation in Lemon-Ontolex:
>>>
>>>     1) To add a generic "Lexico-semantic Relation"  to the CORE
>>>     module (the name can be another one of course) for reifying
>>>     relations whenever it is necessary, and having the "source" and
>>>     "target" properties that we have discussed in the previous
>>>     telcos. It is specialised in "Lexical Relation" whenever the
>>>     relation is at the level of forms or lexical entries, and "Sense
>>>     Relation" whenever the relation is between senses. The
>>>     motivation of placing these in the core is to support ANY module
>>>     that wants to reuse the same reification mechanisms.
>>>
>>>     Imágenes integradas 1
>>>
>>>     2)  Based on those classes, any type of specific relation could
>>>     be supported. Now it is our choice whether to include them as a
>>>     lemon module or as something external to the model. For
>>>     instance, new relations could be defined: "Morphological
>>>     derivation" (e.g., happy -> unhappy) at the lexical level or
>>>     "Antonymy" at the sense level, for instance.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Imágenes integradas 2
>>>
>>>     3-A) Vartrans module: the Variant relation is proposed as a
>>>     specialisation of "Lexico-semantic Relation". Roughly speaking,
>>>     we understand "Variant" as a relation between two entities
>>>     (lexical entries, forms, senses, ...) that are interchangeable
>>>     under certain conditions, still keeping similar meanings (e.g.,
>>>     "finger" -> "hand" are not variants, but "color" -> "colour" or
>>>     "bank"@en -> "banco"@es are variants). There are several
>>>     subclasses of Variant:  "Lexical Variant" and "Translatable" are
>>>     variants that are lexical relations as well, and "Terminological
>>>     Variant" and "Translation" are variants that are also sense
>>>     relations. See the figure for some examples...
>>>
>>>     Imágenes integradas 3
>>>
>>>     3-B) However one could say that any possible variant is covered
>>>     already by the above referred subclasses "Lexical Variant",
>>>     "Translation", "Terminological Variant", ... So another scheme
>>>     without the "Variant" type is also possible, although loosing
>>>     the notion of a relation between entities that are exchangeable
>>>     under certain circumstances (which is given by "Variant").
>>>
>>>     Imágenes integradas 4
>>>
>>>
>>>     I hope you find this reflections useful. Sorry we are not
>>>     available today for discussing it, but any feedback or comment
>>>     by email will be appreciated, and we can continue the discussion
>>>     in the following telco.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Best regards,
>>>
>>>     Jorge, Elena, Lupe
>>>
>>>
>>>     -- 
>>>     Jorge Gracia, PhD
>>>     Ontology Engineering Group
>>>     Artificial Intelligence Department
>>>     Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
>>>     http://jogracia.url.ph/web/
>>
>>     -- 
>>     --
>>     Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
>>     AG Semantic Computing
>>     Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC)
>>     Universität Bielefeld
>>
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>>
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>>     Germany
>
>     -- 
>     --
>     Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
>     AG Semantic Computing
>     Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC)
>     Universität Bielefeld
>
>     Tel:+49 521 106 12249  <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%2012249>
>     Fax:+49 521 106 6560  <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%206560>
>     Mail:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de  <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
>
>     Office CITEC-2.307
>     Universitätsstr. 21-25
>     33615 Bielefeld, NRW
>     Germany
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Jorge Gracia, PhD
> Ontology Engineering Group
> Artificial Intelligence Department
> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/

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Universität Bielefeld

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