Re: Issues with backwards compatibility

Gil, John, all, yes I agree with Gil here. Not all phrases are MWU's and 
the other way around. I would prefer to have MWU (or MWE/Multi-Word 
Expression) instead of 'phrase', as the latter has a broader and yet 
more specific meaning in syntactic structure.


Paul

On 13/06/2014 12:37, Gil Francopoulo wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Excuse me but in English, the notion of "phrase" is rather different
> from the notion of "multiword unit", see for instance the definition in
> Crystal (a dictionary of linguistics and phonetics).
>
> The span of a multiword unit does not need to match the limits of well
> formed phrases.
>
> The extreme situation is when a multiword unit is not a phrase but a
> whole sentence like: "there is no free lunch" if the lexicon manager
> needs to document the meaning of this "element" in his lexicon (other
> issue: what part of speech ? interjection ?).
>
> Gil
>
>
>
>
> Le 13/06/2014 13:09, John P. McCrae a écrit :
>> Hi,
>>
>> The term "Phrase" is for me preferable to MultiWordUnit as it is more
>> linguistic, less technical, shorter and the same as the /lemon/ model.
>> I would also introduce a disjoint class "Word" as this is useful for
>> saying an entry isn't a multi-word unit. If we do I don't think it
>> hurts to include "Affix" as well to cover all our bases (that is
>> Phrase for >1 words, Word for =1 word and Affix for <1 words).
>>
>> I have no objection to extending the use of confidence to senses
>> (other than my existing objections to confidence being too poorly
>> defined at the moment ;).
>>
>> I was discussing some use cases that required incompatibility in the
>> case of diachronic changes in meaning, but thinking more about, it is
>> quite narrow and perhaps should be pushed to LexInfo 3.0 (or whatever
>> we are going to do as a more complete but non-standard model).
>>
>> Regards,
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 11:49 PM, Philipp Cimiano
>> <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>> <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>> wrote:
>>
>>     John, all,
>>
>>        a few things. I am in favour of introducing the class
>>     "MultiWordUnit" as a subclass of LexicalEntry, fair enough.
>>
>>     Concerning the properties "context", "condition" and
>>     "incompatibility".
>>
>>     "context" and "condition" are useful, clearly. But then the
>>     property "confidence" of a Translation should also be there. I see
>>     the three equally useful and equaly vague semantically as they
>>     could have anyhting as a range.
>>
>>     Concerning "incompatibility": not sure, this seems like one of
>>     many possible properties that could be defined between senses, so
>>     it seems quite arbitraty to pick this one out.
>>
>>     Just my two cents,
>>
>>     Philipp.
>>
>>     Am 06.06.14 17:25, schrieb John P. McCrae:
>>>     Hi all,
>>>
>>>     Due to the large number of resources using the previous Monnet
>>>     /lemon /vocabulary it seems natural that we should support users
>>>     who wish to transition to the W3C OntoLex /lemon /vocabulary. As
>>>     such I was looking into the conversion.
>>>
>>>     https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Monnet_OntoLex_Compatibility
>>>
>>>     There are some areas where the previous model has significant
>>>     differences that we should consider whether to adopt. (Of course
>>>     I do not assume that everything in Monnet Lemon should be
>>>     transferred across but we should attempt to be able to represent
>>>     relevant use cases already addressed by Monnet Lemon).
>>>
>>>     From my analysis, there are two main issues that we should still
>>>     address
>>>
>>>       * Monnet /lemon/ has more sophisticated description of senses,
>>>         in particular, mechanisms such as contexts
>>>         <http://lemon-model.net/lemon-cookbook/node11.html>,
>>>         conditions
>>>         <http://lemon-model.net/lemon-cookbook/node30.html>,
>>>         definitions, examples and incompatibility
>>>         <http://lemon-model.net/lemon-cookbook/node14.html>
>>>       * Monnet /lemon/ allows us to say if a lexical entry is a
>>>         multi-word expression, affix or word.
>>>
>>>     Any comments on whether we should allow this modelling
>>>
>>>     Regards,
>>>     John
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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