- From: Myles, Stuart <SMyles@ap.org>
- Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 17:27:03 +0000
- To: Steven Rowat <steven_rowat@sunshine.net>, "public-odrl@w3.org" <public-odrl@w3.org>
- CC: "public-odrl@w3.org" <public-odrl@w3.org>
Hi Steven, > What is going to be required to be able to write the JSON-LD code in such a way that it contains ODRL terms that can be part of a search engine's reading of the JSON-LD? Well, at a really high level, I suppose two things: 1. You need to generate JSON-LD from the ontology for the ODRL statements you wish to make. (This is the bit that Mo agreed could be done, although it is mainly a question of finding the time to implement it). 2. The search engines would need to implement something that reads the ODRL statements out of the HTML (and evaluates them?). Point 2 might be a bit beyond the scope of the ODRL effort. I did do some work a couple of years ago with the schema.org people to have them adopt the rNews model (http://dev.iptc.org/rNews-1-Schemaorg-compatible-Implementation-Guide-HTML-5-Microdata). In particular, just because someone is expressing something in an HTML page - whether using RDFa, microformats or JSON-LD - is not a guarantee that search engines will look for it or handle it. Regards, Stuart -----Original Message----- From: Steven Rowat [mailto:steven_rowat@sunshine.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 12:43 AM To: public-odrl@w3.org Cc: public-odrl@w3.org Subject: Re: ODRL Version 2.1 Final Draft Specifications – Last Call for Comments (due 16 FEB) [via ODRL Community Group] On 1/19/15 9:03 AM, Mo McRoberts wrote: > I’m open to the idea of trying to come up with a workflow which adds > JSON-LD generation to the existing tooling (which generates RDF/XML > and N-Triples serialisations of the ontology and examples from the > source Turtle), although the biggest constraint is, as ever, time. > > M. Hi Mo, Thank you for your explanation; unfortunately I'm out of my depth in attempting to understand all parts of it. I could research each of the individual components and terms that you've used, but, as you mention, there is the question of time -- my own projects are time-consuming and largely tangential or orthogonal to this question. So perhaps I'm doomed to not understand how JSON-LD and ODRL can work together (or can't) until some future implementation occurs that makes this clear. Or, perhaps it's still possible to clarify (for myself) the potential cross-over point of JSON-LD and ODRL, without learning other languages; maybe with an example? So I'll try this:... 1. Suppose I have a an HTML page, on which is listed a digital work: 'Book A'. 2. Suppose that I have inserted, into the HTML page, a JSON-LD implementation of schema.org terms to describe that HTML page, including Book A's title, author, size and type of file, etc. 3. Suppose I also want ODRL terms to be available from the page, concerning Book A -- various rights and permissions. 4. Suppose I want these ODRL terms to be searchable logically, by machine, via the search engines, as part of JSON-LD (ie, as linked data). Then: What is going to be required to be able to write the JSON-LD code in such a way that it contains ODRL terms that can be part of a search engine's reading of the JSON-LD? My apologies, Mo, if the answer to this question is contained in what you already said. If so, then I suppose my only option is to read more about ontologies, serializations, RDF, XML, N-triples, tooling, and Turtle. :-) Steven Rowat > > On 2015-Jan-19, at 16:52, Steven Rowat <steven_rowat@sunshine.net> > wrote: > >> On 1/19/15 3:32 AM, W3C Community Development Team wrote: >>> The W3C ODRL Community Group seeks feedback from the community on >>> the Version 2.1 Final Draft specifications of the ODRL Policy >>> Language: >> >>> ODRL Version 2.1 JSON Encoding >> >> Short form: Is JSON-LD also supported? (It's not mentioned on that >> page ODRL 2.1 JSON Encoding page.) >> >> Background: Google and other search engines read JSON-LD, and it's >> listed at schema.org alongside Microdata and RDF as a tagging system >> for the general web. When I looked at the example for tagging a >> 'Book' at schema.org, JSON-LD seemed to me to have several advantages >> over Microdata and RDFa. Plus, the Credentials Community group and >> the Web Payments Community group are basing at least some of their >> work on JSON-LD. >> >> Google says here: >> https://developers.google.com/webmasters/structured-data/schema-org >> >> >> "JSON-LD is the newest and simplest markup format: it lets you embed a block of JSON data inside a script tag anywhere in the HTML. Since the data does not have to be interleaved with the user-visible text, it's much easier to express nested data items [snip]...Google is in the process of adding JSON-LD support to more markup-powered features." >> >> Specifically in the ODRL context, my (non-expert) belief is that >> JSON-LD is merely an extension of JSON, and so in theory one might be >> able to use the ODRL JSON Encoding directly with JSON-LD. Is this >> true? >> >> If so, it might be nice to make a mention of JSON-LD on the ODRL JSON >> page, or even give an example,. >> >> If not -- and some different ODRL Encoding needs to be done to get >> ODRL to work with JSON-LD -- is there something in the works for >> this? >> >> >> >> >> Steven Rowat >> > > The information contained in this communication is intended for the use of the designated recipients named above. 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