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Re: Update to XLIFF mapping for terminology use case

From: Dave Lewis <dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie>
Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 16:39:20 +0100
Message-ID: <51892028.7080407@cs.tcd.ie>
To: Mārcis Pinnis <marcis.pinnis@Tilde.lv>
CC: "Dr. David Filip" <David.Filip@ul.ie>, "public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org" <public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>, Pēteris Ņikiforovs <peteris.nikiforovs@Tilde.lv>, Artūrs Vasiļevskis <arturs.vasilevskis@Tilde.lv>, Tatiana Gornostay <tatiana.gornostay@tilde.lv>
No problem. The demo is looking pretty cool.

I spoke to David, and we are keen to try and invoke the API, especially 
using XLIFF, form the SOLAS/CMS-LION round trip.

If we want to test this out, I guess we need to do so and raise any 
problems with the API before the end of May, right?

cheers,
Dave




On 07/05/2013 15:57, Mārcis Pinnis wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
> Thank you for the explanation.
>
> I think all open questions have been resolved (from our side). We will 
> try finalising the XLIFF part and if further questions will arise we 
> will let you know.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mārcis ;o)
>
> *From:*Dr. David Filip [mailto:David.Filip@ul.ie]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 07, 2013 5:10 PM
> *To:* Mārcis Pinnis
> *Cc:* Dave Lewis; public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org; Pēteris 
> Ņikiforovs; Artūrs Vasiļevskis; Tatiana Gornostay
> *Subject:* Re: Update to XLIFF mapping for terminology use case
>
> Hi Marcis,
>
> the x-its mtype is generic on purpose to facilitate usage of more than 
> one its category on one <mrk>.
>
> x-its is used for all cases except for translate, term, and ta.
>
> In these cases we are using XLIFF generic mtypes (and their custom 
> made negations, see the mapping table):
>
> mtype="protect"
>
> mtype="term"
>
> mtype="phrase"
>
> I hope this helps
>
> Hopefully we will get audio soon :-)
>
> Cheers
>
> dF
>
>
> Dr. David Filip
>
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> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Mārcis Pinnis <marcis.pinnis@tilde.lv 
> <mailto:marcis.pinnis@tilde.lv>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Dave,
>
>     Thank you for the answers.
>     I believe it is almost clear now. One last question:
>
>     The "x-its" value for mtype - is it specifically created to
>     address xml:lang (I ask it because it seems rather generic and
>     maybe it should be treated with caution)? That is, can it be used
>     (or will it be possible to use it) also to indicate of other
>     specific mapping related annotation presence in the XLIFF content.
>
>
>     Best regards,
>     Mārcis ;o)
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Dave Lewis [mailto:dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie
>     <mailto:dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie>]
>
>     Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 3:23 PM
>     To: Mārcis Pinnis
>     Cc: public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
>     <mailto:public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>; Pēteris Ņikiforovs;
>     Artūrs Vasiļevskis; Tatiana Gornostay
>     Subject: Re: Update to XLIFF mapping for terminology use case
>
>     Thanks Marcis, comments inline:
>
>     On 07/05/2013 12:08, Mārcis Pinnis wrote:
>     > Hi Dave,
>     >
>     > Thanks for the information.
>     >
>     >  From our point, as far as I can tell (by quickly skimming through):
>     > 1) Terminology is OK
>     > 2) For Language Information what does the example represent? It
>     is not clear to me how mtype="x-its" relates to xml:lang="en"
>     (that is, the mapping is not clear to me here). Apart from that, I
>     see that no changes have been made...
>
>     We use
>
>     mtype="x-its"
>
>     to indicate that the mrk is introduced to support the language
>     value transformed from ITS (rather than added natively by an XLIFF
>     processor)
>     - so its more informative and otherwise not different from native
>     usage.
>
>     > 3) Elements Within Text is OK
>     > 4) Domain is OK, but ... when will the namespace be defined? And
>     ... why are there multiple namespaces? its and itsx? Is there a
>     reason why it is not enough to use just one?
>     There are two reasons:
>
>     1) the itsx namespace is used when the attribute isn't  defined in
>     ITS.
>     So here, there is no annotations for defining domains exactly,
>     just though mappings and pointers, but when processed it results
>     in a domian annotation (as in the test suite)
>
>     2) the attribute exists in ITS, but some of the meaning is lost in
>     the transform to XLIFF, so it need to be treated in a way that
>     differs from what a 'pure' ITS processor would expect.
>
>     The namespace will be:
>     http://www.w3.org/ns/its-xliff/
>
>     Felix now has an action to deploy this, so it will be resolvable soon.
>
>     let me know if we can help explain anything further?
>
>     cheers,
>     Dave
>
>     > 5) Locale Filter is OK.
>     >
>     > Best regards,
>     > Mārcis ;o)
>     >
>     > -----Original Message-----
>     > From: Dave Lewis [mailto:dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie
>     <mailto:dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie>]
>     > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:34 PM
>     > To: Mārcis Pinnis; public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
>     <mailto:public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>
>     > Subject: Update to XLIFF mapping for terminology use case
>     >
>     > Hi Marcis,
>     > We've just finished a session in Bled where we've tried to
>     address your comments on the XLIFF mapping. Could you take a quick
>     look at:
>     >
>     http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/XLIFF_Mapping
>     >
>     > to check if the ssues whihc you are concerned with are
>     addressed. If you can get back quikly we can try and respond while
>     the XLIFF heads are around the table here.
>     >
>     > cheers,
>     > Dave
>
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