- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 12:30:57 +0200
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Felix
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
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MultilingualWeb-LT Working Group Teleconference
22 Oct 2012
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0248.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2012/10/22-mlw-lt-irc
Attendees
Present
Jirka, Shaun, Dom, Leroy, Yves, Olaf, Naoto, Dave,
David, Tadej, Milan, Guiseppe, Ankit, Fredrik
Regrets
Felix
Chair
daveL
Scribe
dF, tadej
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]1) Work schedule update
2. [6]schedule update
3. [7]test suite time plan
4. [8]1.3) Update from XLIFF meeting and FEISGILTT
5. [9]XLIFF meeting and ITS in XLIFF
6. [10]1.4) Lyon agenda
7. [11]2) Data category overview table
8. [12]3.3) Too many pointers / global rules
9. [13]3.4) Tool information
* [14]Summary of Action Items
__________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 22 October 2012
<daveL> scribe: dF
rollcall
<daveL> daveL: also Naoto, Jirka and Tadej
1) Work schedule update
schedule update
<daveL> documentation pubcation: [15]http://tinyurl.com/8bfujeo
[15] http://tinyurl.com/8bfujeo
next publication date was planned for tomorrow
we aim now to have it for TPAC Lyon
daveL: reviewing changes to draft for publication
changes mainly in provenance, we have now nice looking examples
daveL; makes a call for consenus
no objections
<daveL> topic; 1.2) Test suite timeplan
daveL: the draft will be published tomorrow week
test suite time plan
<daveL>
[16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Oct/0236.html
[16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0236.html
In Prague, we started collecting individual commitments to test
features on categories
daveL: we will need tests for its:param
... as soon as tools reference is completed, we will need tests
for that
... need volunteers to review the testsuite
... we need to have some tests completed by Dec 15
... to see how it goes before Xmas
... we have two levels of implmentations 1) for conformance
2) use case scenarios for broader audience
omstefanov: what do we do with ruby, where there are no test
commitments
<daveL> dF: is there some confusion there - old cateroeis will
not be dropped
daveL: the new ones will be dropped if not implemented
... but not the old
... but we still need to break it down for html, xml, local,
and global
omstefanov: what will happen with provenance, disambiguation
etc.
DomJones: we will have another go, before we drop any
categories
... we will review next week
1.3) Update from XLIFF meeting and FEISGILTT
daveL: poeple might be holding back on issues that are not
quite complete yet
XLIFF meeting and ITS in XLIFF
<daveL>
[17]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/XLI
FF_Mapping
[17] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/XLIFF_Mapping
daveL: report from Redmond and FEISGILTT
... generally good progress
... posted link to the mapping in progress
... XLIFF usage of ITS resembles local markup but has not quite
the same inheritance etc.
... the goal is to finalize by mid Dec
Yves_: no need to add anything, good report..
daveL: who else would like to help with the mapping?
Milan: I am interested
... we discussed some with David (dF)
daveL: if you want to put your name against some
... discussing the XLIFF mapping call timing for Friday
... agreed 4pm Irish
1.4) Lyon agenda
dF to follow up with XLIFF mapping call time
<scribe> ACTION: dF to follow up with XLIFF mapping call time
[recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2012/10/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-252 - Follow up with XLIFF mapping
call time [on David Filip - due 2012-10-29].
<daveL>
[19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Oct/0233.html
[19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0233.html
<daveL>
[20]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Lyo
nNov2012#Agenda
[20] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/LyonNov2012#Agenda
daveL: posting link to agenda propsoed by Felix
<daveL>
[21]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Lyo
nNov2012#Agenda
[21] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/LyonNov2012#Agenda
<daveL>
[22]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Lyo
nNov2012#Agenda
[22] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/LyonNov2012#Agenda
daveL: we need to put in some individual items
... first data categories, later in the afternoon test suite
... break out sessions for implmentations
... is the time for breakouts enough
... later an open session to discuss implementation plans
brought back from break outs
dF: what is the timing for the HTML5 meeting(s)?
daveL: not sure, does not seem to be confirmed
... adding into session 6 as a placeholder
<scribe> ACTION: daveL to confirm HTML5 session time(s) with
Felix [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2012/10/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-253 - Confirm HTML5 session time(s)
with Felix [on David Lewis - due 2012-10-29].
<daveL>
[24]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Lyo
nNov2012#Participants
[24] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/LyonNov2012#Participants
daveL: please update your participation on the agenda wiki page
<daveL> 2) Data category overview table
<daveL>
[25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Oct/0055.html
[25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0055.html
2) Data category overview table
<daveL> scribe: tadej
<daveL>
[26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Oct/att-0055/its-categories.html
[26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/att-0055/its-categories.html
daveL: sean provided the table, proposed to combine the
inheritance behaviour for XML and HTML in one place
shaunm: considering also different columns for local vs. global
attributes, but would make it unwieldy
daveL: something like this should be in the main body of the
document, do you think it would work for that?
shaunm: all the information is already in the spec itself, so
it's a repeat
daveL: alternatively, the names of the data categories and
names of attributes could be made more generic and format
agnostic, not necessaritly in camel case (which implies XML)
... shaun, in some of the cells you had only dashes, what do
they indicate?
shaunm: - is for 'doesn't exist'
... I skipped ruby, external rule doesn't have local at all
... i'll send the global/local extended table to the list
daveL: let's change camel case simply using spaces - "locNote"
to "loc note"
omstefanov: I can do the conversion editing.
... entityType does not have dashes, but blank
tadej: it looks like an old version, this was renamed to
entityClassRef recently - it should be in the draft
<daveL> 3.1) Use of IRIs
<daveL>
[27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Oct/0222.html
[27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0222.html
daveL: we should be using IRIs instead of URLs.
<daveL> topic; 3.2) on/off "active" attribute for quality issue
<scribe> ACTION: Jirka to edit usages URI to IRI [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2012/10/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-254 - Edit usages URI to IRI [on
Jirka Kosek - due 2012-10-29].
<daveL>
[29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Oct/0214.html
[29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0214.html
3.3) Too many pointers / global rules
<scribe> ACTION: Yves_ to determine and correct wording for
ISSUE-34 [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2012/10/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find Yves_. You can review and
register nicknames at
<[31]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/u
sers>.
[31] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/users%3E.
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to determine and correct wording for
ISSUE-34 [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2012/10/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-255 - Determine and correct wording
for ISSUE-34 [on Yves Savourel - due 2012-10-29].
<daveL>
[33]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/i
ssues/51
[33] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/51
<daveL>
[34]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Oct/0042.html
[34] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0042.html
daveL: a general issue being around is that there are many
pointers and global rules being used, there's a proposed
solution
... the solution is annotating a document in a way that a
reference is static (not relative)
... Yves_ suggested removing the non-*Pointer attributes and
keeping the *Pointer attributes
Yves_: not sure what the outcome of the discussion was
daveL: let's skip this point for now
<daveL> t
3.4) Tool information
<daveL>
[35]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/i
ssues/42
[35] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/42
daveL: there was a discussion on tool info, and people were
volunteering for examples
Yves_: one conclusion was that URIs were sufficient to describe
the tool, having additional info there
daveL: having an IRI pointing to something that has a schema
would be one solution
Yves_: defining that schema got complicated, so we stopped the
discussion there
... therefore, Felix asked data category implementors for
examples, how much info is necessary to expose
daveL: dF, do you have an example for mtConfidence at hand?
dF: in the MT case, you need to know the platform and engine
specifics, but engine specifics may be different across
platforms
... what about if the pointer doesn't need to lead anywhere?
would a URN be enough?
... for mtConfidence, the examples are already there, with the
necessary attributes
... however, these were not replaced by the its-tool in the
spec
daveL: I propose to take Yves_'s definition, add examples from
existing data categories and sent it around in a word file
... I can do that by friday
<scribe> ACTION: daveL to compile and circulate itsTool
examples togehter with proposal text [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2012/10/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-256 - Compile and circulate itsTool
examples togehter with proposal text [on David Lewis - due
2012-10-29].
daveL: do we need a call on monday, given that we are meeting
soom?
... I propose cancelling next week's call
omstefanov: should I be spelling out full words: "localization
note" instead of "loc note"
daveL: good idea
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: daveL to compile and circulate itsTool examples
togehter with proposal text [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2012/10/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: daveL to confirm HTML5 session time(s) with Felix
[recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2012/10/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: dF to follow up with XLIFF mapping call time
[recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2012/10/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Jirka to edit usages URI to IRI [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2012/10/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Yves to determine and correct wording for
ISSUE-34 [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2012/10/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Yves_ to determine and correct wording for
ISSUE-34 [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2012/10/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action04]
[End of minutes]
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