- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:17:04 +0200
- To: public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
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2012/10/8 Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org> > Hi all, > > here are the minutes from today: > > http://www.w3.org/2012/10/08-mlw-lt-minutes.html > > and below as text. A question about next week: Dave, David and I will be > in Seattle. Is there a volunteer to chair the call? Even if you don't have > a quorum, it might help to discuss things. > It seems there won't be a critical mass for the call, so it is cancelled. Next call will be 22. October. Felix > > Felix > > [1]W3C > > [1] http://www.w3.org/ > > MLW-LT WG > > 08 Oct 2012 > > [2]Agenda > > [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0074.html > > See also: [3]IRC log > > [3] http://www.w3.org/2012/10/08-mlw-lt-irc > > Attendees > > Present > daveL, naoto, fsasaki, giuseppe, leroy, irka, milan, df, > dom, yves, tadej, ankit, phil, shaun, pedro > > Regrets > tbd > > Chair > felix > > Scribe > Yves, Felix > > Contents > > * [4]Topics > 1. [5]welcome naoto > 2. [6]Work schedule > 3. [7]ISSUES - domain in HTML5 > 4. [8]AOB > * [9]Summary of Action Items > __________________________________________________________ > > welcome naoto > > Naoto: from Japan, living in Irland > ... work for CNGL at UL > ... working on MT-related aspect of localization process > ... quality of translation, etc. are of interest > > Work schedule > > Felix: will publish in 22nd oc OCT > ... last edit on Oct-19 > ... lot of travel before, let's see what we can do. > ... any new update for Provenance? > > Dave: Phil sent me a new copy > ... will look at it > ... may need to adjust the example for tool reference > ... Phil and I will try to discuss that tomorrow > ... and post feedback to the list > > Felix: so when ready? > > Dave: maybe thursday > > Felix: hopefuilly can do it before Seattle > > Dave: indeed > > <scribe> ACTION: DaveL to coordinate with Phil and send new > draft to the list by Thursday [recorded in > [10]http://www.w3.org/2012/10/08-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01] > > <trackbot> Created ACTION-246 - Coordinate with Phil and send > new draft to the list by Thursday [on David Lewis - due > 2012-10-15]. > > <scribe> ACTION: Felix to put the provenance draft in spec > before Seattle [recorded in > [11]http://www.w3.org/2012/10/08-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02] > > <trackbot> Created ACTION-247 - Put the provenance draft in > spec before Seattle [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-10-15]. > > Felix: Disambiguation? > > Tadej: working draft going around > ... Arle needs to look at the definitions > ... will circulate new version after > ... Dave wants to look at it too > > Dave: yes > > Tadej: I can ciculate current version > > Felix: not needed > ... let's wait for the final draft > ... can we do that this week? > > Tadej: yes, but may get updated > ... and there is the global tool reference to deal with > > Felix: important to have those definition in darft > ... maybe we can deal with the tool reference afterward with > editors > ... so we just need the next stable version > > Tadej: then yes > ... For text analysis annotation things will depends on the > tool reference > ... examples will be different > > Dave: was trying to apply this to use cases > ... what about how to control Disambiguation? > ... we could have a lot of annotations, but even where we don't > want them > ... but we can't control where > > Tadej: Cocomore talked about this > ... because it wasn't important for use case > ... maybe a switch would be useful? > > Dave: Ok, but maybe it's a best practice > ... suggest to discuiss this on the list > > Tadej: switch make sense to expose > > Dave: other things may be to concidered > > tadej: sure, need examples then. Let's discuss it on the list > > Felix: we are running out of time for new feature. > > Dave: Phil, quickly: have an action to work on Provance > > Felix: separation of HTML and XML > > jirka has action-220 > > scribe: HTML users have specific use cases to take into account > ... we may need the draft to be freeze to work on that > > Jirka: working on the schema today > ... hope to have something by end of week > ... examples could stay there > ... idea is to specific the difference (notation, etc.) > ... case-sensitive or not between HTML or XML > ... such section will explain the differences > ... and the table with all the names will help > > Felix: next week is fine too > > Jirka: will try for this week. > > Felix: next is text about Localization Implementers > > <scribe> ACTION: Felix to put the Localization Implementer case > in draft by end of the week [recorded in > [12]http://www.w3.org/2012/10/08-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action03] > > <trackbot> Created ACTION-248 - Put the Localization > Implementer case in draft by end of the week [on Felix Sasaki - > due 2012-10-15]. > > Felix: will do the NIF section this week too > ... editorial notes: some reviews to follow up with > ... would be good to have co-editors to go through that > ... Shaun can you look at that? > > Shaun: yes > > Felix: will keep you up to date on the edits we do > > Domain in HTML5 > > Felix: Empty string? > ... seems the outcome is decided > > Shaun: then how do you override? > ... seems we have no default > > Jirka: allowedCharacters=".*" > > Yves: will add that to specs > > Domain in HTML5 > > <fsasaki> "Domain in HTML5" > > <fsasaki> > [13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb- > lt/2012Oct/0057.html > > [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0057.html > > <fsasaki> scribe: fsasaki > > yves: problem was that in some cases we could point in some > cases we could point to keyword list of domain > ... in some cases we point only to one domain value > ... need to separate that > ... idea is to provide the result of data category as a comma > separated list > ... that is built from the result of XPath expressions > ... when you have different nodes of a single string, you do > the same with a substring > ... felix wrote an algorithm, I did that as a pseudo code and > implemented it > > <Yves_> scribe: Yves_ > > <fsasaki> > [14]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb- > lt/2012Oct/0054.html > > [14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0054.html > > Felix: link is the pseudo code > > <fsasaki> "Get the list of nodes resulting ...." > > Felix: there are some example too > ... take 2mn to look at it > ... any thoughts? > > dF: should be working in XML > ... looking now the HTML case > ... not sure the issue of multiple keywords is resolved > > Felix: idea here is to provide the list > > <fsasaki> yves: goal is to get list of values > > <fsasaki> .. not a single value > > <fsasaki> .. after that you add to it > > <fsasaki> david: domain should be one domain > > <fsasaki> yves: but in HTML you can have several of them > > <fsasaki> david: so are we happy with several keywords? > > <fsasaki> yves: you can map them to one values > > <fsasaki> felix: via domainMapping attribute > > <fsasaki> david: so there is a method to parse multiple > keywords and link a mapping > > <fsasaki> .. so I can produce m:1 and m:n mapping > > dF: ok, then I should be ok for n->1 or n->m mappings > > <fsasaki> > [15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb- > lt/2012Oct/0054.html > > [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0054.html > > <fsasaki> > [16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb- > lt/2012Oct/0057.html > > [16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0057.html > > Felix: this email above has some examples > > df: we can only reduce? > > Felix: yes > > df: no sure about this > ... seems that to be able to have several domain is a problem? > ... should we be able to set priority > > Dave: we talked about this, Declan noted it wasn't really > possible to specify that > ... difficult to have a set way to do this > ... there are not really good practices for this > > <Ankit> Yeah, in MT, usually a document will belong to one > domain.. > > dF: there is an asymmetric aspect in the data category > ... we may need to do that for XML too > > Felix: you can already > > <fsasaki> yves: you can point to the same type of keyowrds in > xml too > > <fsasaki> .. if you want to have a list of separated values > > <fsasaki> felix: would have an xpath expression that would > point to several nodes > > dF: I see. > ... should we agree n->1 is the best practice? > ... m->n mapping complicate things > > Felix: it depends on what you testing > > <fsasaki> > [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb- > lt/2012Oct/0057.html > > [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0057.html > > Felix: see in example there where domainMapping is used > > dF: see you can do conformance test > ... but business case may be more tricky > ... sevral domains may not be useable > > Felix: so how to move forward? > > dF: asking simply if the n->1 mapping is required > > Dave: seems that it's more useful to know all domains than to > redice them to one > ... reducing is fine, but using all is fine as well > ... mapping/reduction is complicated to do > ... not sure we can solve this on the ITS side > > Naoto: from MT viewpoint having one domain is simpler > ... multiple doamins would be already in multiple documents > ... different domains = different models > > dF: think you can specify multiple domain in the same document > > Felix: should continue this discussion in list > > dF: we are using domain > ... supporting multiple would be a big change > ... not sure we can be conformant than > > Shaun: sounds like issue is where the data comes from > ... like HTML keywords > ... maybe that could be a best practice: primary set first > > and then MT can just take the first one > > Felix: sound like a good solution > ... best practice allows to use things like keywords then > ... but need more discussion probably > > <scribe> ACTION: Yves_ to add the Domain algorithm in draft > asap [recorded in > [18]http://www.w3.org/2012/10/08-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action04] > > <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find Yves_. You can review and > register nicknames at > <[19]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/u > sers>. > > [19] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/users%3E. > > <scribe> ACTION: Yves to add the Domain algorithm in draft asap > [recorded in > [20]http://www.w3.org/2012/10/08-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action05] > > <trackbot> Created ACTION-249 - Add the Domain algorithm in > draft asap [on Yves Savourel - due 2012-10-15]. > > AOB > > Felix: any othe rtopic? > > Phil: sent some question about toolRefs > ... could we talk about it Dave? on Wednesday call > > Dave: yes > > Felix: I can help if you want, let me know. > > Phil: late morning tomorrow might work for me. > > Pedro: two questions: > ... for unstable data categories: should we wait for > implementation? > ... and other question: are ready for readiness > > Felix: please focus on data categories that are important, even > if not stable > ... for readiness, please go ahead > > Dave: agree with felix > > Pedro: ok > > Felix: main call is done > > <fsasaki> Jirka, we lost you on gotomeeting, it seems > > <fsasaki> ACTION: felix to make sure that the its20 draft says > the right thing in sec. 1.1.1 about direcitonality and ruby - > if we make them non-backward compatibly [recorded in > [21]http://www.w3.org/2012/10/08-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action06] > > <trackbot> Created ACTION-250 - Make sure that the its20 draft > says the right thing in sec. 1.1.1 about direcitonality and > ruby - if we make them non-backward compatibly [on Felix Sasaki > - due 2012-10-15]. > > <fsasaki> > [22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb- > lt/2012Oct/0004.html > > [22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0004.html > > Summary of Action Items > > [NEW] ACTION: DaveL to coordinate with Phil and send new draft > to the list by Thursday [recorded in > [23]http://www.w3.org/2012/10/08-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01] > [NEW] ACTION: felix to make sure that the its20 draft says the > right thing in sec. 1.1.1 about direcitonality and ruby - if we > make them non-backward compatibly [recorded in > [24]http://www.w3.org/2012/10/08-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action06] > [NEW] ACTION: Felix to put the Localization Implementer case in > draft by end of the week [recorded in > [25]http://www.w3.org/2012/10/08-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action03] > [NEW] ACTION: Felix to put the provenance draft in spec before > Seattle [recorded in > [26]http://www.w3.org/2012/10/08-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02] > [NEW] ACTION: Yves to add the Domain algorithm in draft asap > [recorded in > [27]http://www.w3.org/2012/10/08-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action05] > [NEW] ACTION: Yves_ to add the Domain algorithm in draft asap > [recorded in > [28]http://www.w3.org/2012/10/08-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action04] > > [End of minutes] > __________________________________________________________ > > > Minutes formatted by David Booth's [29]scribe.perl version > 1.137 ([30]CVS log) > $Date: 2012/10/08 18:43:46 $ > > [29] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm > [30] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ > > > -- Felix Sasaki DFKI / W3C Fellow
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