- From: Thierry Michel <tmichel@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:10:09 +0100 (CET)
- To: "Felix Sasaki" <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Cc: "Florian Stegmaier" <stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.de>, "Bailer, Werner" <werner.bailer@joanneum.at>, Höffernig, Martin <martin.hoeffernig@joanneum.at>, "tmichel@w3.org" <tmichel@w3.org>, "public-media-annotation@w3.org" <public-media-annotation@w3.org>
Felix, And please let me know what are the exact differences with the new RDF and JSON files, as I must review the work I have done for the implementation report, using the XMP example and XMP JSON responses. thierry. > You are right, Florian, the RDF file needs revision. I have told Thierry > that I won't get to this before later this week, so stay tuned. > > Felix > > 2012/2/6 Florian Stegmaier <stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.de> > >> Hi all! >> >> Sorry, but i am a little bit confused - the RDF file needs revision, >> right? Would be nice if somebody could undertake this part since i have >> to >> check the JSON file. >> >> Cheers. >> _____________________________ >> Dipl. Inf. Florian Stegmaier >> Chair of Distributed Information Systems >> University of Passau >> Innstr. 43 >> 94032 Passau >> >> Room 248 ITZ >> >> Tel.: +49 851 509 3063 >> Fax: +49 851 509 3062 >> >> stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.de >> https://www.dimis.fim.uni-passau.de/iris/ >> http://twitter.com/fstegmai >> _____________________________ >> >> Am 02.02.2012 um 13:47 schrieb Bailer, Werner: >> >> > Felix, to clarify this: ma:identifer is part of the spec, but there is >> no corresponding element in the RDF vocabulary. The reference [1] cited >> by >> Martin states: >> > >> > “(1) The identifier of a media resource is represented in RDF by the >> URI >> of the node representing that media resource. If a resource is >> identified >> by several URI, owl:sameAs should be used.” >> > >> > The identifier can be expressed by rdf:about on the ma:MediaResource >> node (see other examples, e.g. the mapping of dc:identifier). As the >> note >> above states, if you have several identifiers, use owl:sameAs (see e.g. >> the >> MPEG-7 example). >> > >> > Best regards, >> > Werner >> > >> > [1] >> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/PR-mediaont-10-20111129/#correspondance-id1 >> > >> > Von: Felix Sasaki [mailto:fsasaki@w3.org] >> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 02. Februar 2012 13:42 >> > An: Höffernig, Martin >> > Cc: Florian Stegmaier; tmichel@w3.org; Bailer, Werner; >> public-media-annotation@w3.org >> > Betreff: Re: XMP example and XMP JSON response files don't seem to be >> in >> sync. >> > >> > Just to make sure I understand: ma:identifier is at >> > >> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/PR-mediaont-10-20111129/#core-property-definitions >> > and in the mapping tables e.g. at >> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/PR-mediaont-10-20111129/#xmp-table >> > but not part of the spec? >> > >> > I am happy to remove ma:identifier from the XMP example(s), but want >> to >> be sure I am doing the right thing. >> > >> > Felix >> > >> > >> > 2012/2/2 Höffernig, Martin <Martin.Hoeffernig@joanneum.at> >> > Dear Felix, all, >> > >> > I have checked the RDF and TTL version of the XMP example. >> > Both ontology files (RDF and TTL version) contain the property >> ma:identifier in connection with 3 different identifier values >> (xmp:Identifier 1, xmp:Identifier 2, xmp:Identifier 3). >> > However, property ma:identifier is no longer part of ma ontology spec >> [1]. >> > >> > [1]: >> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/PR-mediaont-10-20111129/#correspondance-id1 >> > >> > Best, >> > Martin >> > >> > >> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> > > Von: Florian Stegmaier [mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.de] >> > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 02. Februar 2012 10:40 >> > > An: tmichel@w3.org >> > > Cc: Felix Sasaki; Bailer, Werner; public-media-annotation@w3.org >> > > Betreff: Re: XMP example and XMP JSON response files don't seem to >> be >> > > in sync. >> > > >> > > Hi Thierry, all, >> > > >> > > at the moment, Martin is checking the RDF file. In case the RDF file >> is >> > > correct (which i think it will be), i will check the JSON response, >> if >> > > it fits to the current RDF version. I will send you my findings >> later. >> > > >> > > Cheers. >> > > _____________________________ >> > > Dipl. Inf. Florian Stegmaier >> > > Chair of Distributed Information Systems University of Passau >> Innstr. >> > > 43 >> > > 94032 Passau >> > > >> > > Room 248 ITZ >> > > >> > > Tel.: +49 851 509 3063 >> > > Fax: +49 851 509 3062 >> > > >> > > stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.de >> > > https://www.dimis.fim.uni-passau.de/iris/ >> > > http://twitter.com/fstegmai >> > > _____________________________ >> > > >> > > Am 02.02.2012 um 10:38 schrieb Thierry MICHEL: >> > > >> > > > Felix, >> > > > >> > > > I have republished the XMP .rdf and .ttl file from >> > > > http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical- >> > > mapped >> > > > -to-mawg-by-xslt.ttl >> > > > and >> > > > http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical- >> > > mapped >> > > > -to-mawg-by-xslt.rdf >> > > > >> > > > to >> > > > >> > > http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/metadata_formats/xm >> > > > p-canonical-mapped-to-mawg.ttl >> > > > >> > > http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/metadata_formats/xm >> > > > p-canonical-mapped-to-mawg.rdf >> > > > >> > > > these RDf and TTL files seem identical to the former ones. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > I hope it is also the case for the corresponding JSON response >> > > > >> > > http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/API10/JSON/normativ >> > > > e_json_ma_xmp.json >> > > > >> > > > Because I have used this file to make the testsuite ... >> > > > >> > > > Thierry. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Le 02/02/2012 09:31, Felix Sasaki a écrit : >> > > >> Thierry, Florian, all, >> > > >> >> > > >> I have generated the .rdf and .ttl file from the .xml file >> > > >> automatically, these are definitely in sync. Florian, could you >> > > >> re-generate the JSON file from >> > > >> <http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-** >> > > >> canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.rdf<http://fabday.fh- >> > > potsdam.de/~s >> > > >> asaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.rdf> >> > > >>> >> > > >> ? >> > > >> >> > > >> Then we are sure that everything is OK. >> > > >> >> > > >> Felix >> > > >> >> > > >> 2012/1/31 Thierry Michel<tmichel@w3.org> >> > > >> >> > > >>> Felix, >> > > >>> >> > > >>> could you please check that the 4 files are indeed in sync >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> http://www.w3.org/2008/**WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/** >> > > >>> metadata_formats/xmp-**canonical- >> > > original.xml<http://www.w3.org/2008 >> > > >>> /WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/metadata_formats/xmp-canonical- >> > > original >> > > >>> .xml>< >> > > >>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/MAWG_** >> > > >>> test_canonical.xml<http://fabday.fh- >> > > potsdam.de/%7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xs >> > > >>> lt/MAWG_test_canonical.xml> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> http://www.w3.org/2008/**WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/** >> > > >>> metadata_formats/xmp-**canonical-mapped-to- >> > > mawg.rdf<http://www.w3.or >> > > >>> g/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/metadata_formats/xmp-canonical- >> > > ma >> > > >>> pped-to-mawg.rdf>< >> > > >>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-** >> > > >>> canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.rdf<http://fabday.fh- >> > > potsdam.de/% >> > > >>> 7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.rdf> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> http://www.w3.org/2008/**WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/** >> > > >>> metadata_formats/xmp-**canonical-mapped-to- >> > > mawg.ttl<http://www.w3.or >> > > >>> g/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/metadata_formats/xmp-canonical- >> > > ma >> > > >>> pped-to-mawg.ttl>< >> > > >>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-** >> > > >>> canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.ttl<http://fabday.fh- >> > > potsdam.de/% >> > > >>> 7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.ttl> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> http://www.w3.org/2008/**WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/** >> > > >>> >> > > API10/JSON/normative_json_ma_**xmp.json<http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVi >> > > >>> deo/Annotations/drafts/API10/JSON/normative_json_ma_xmp.json> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Thanks, >> > > >>> I would not want to have to redo the alll test suite ... >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Thierry >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Felix Sasaki a écrit : >> > > >>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> 2012/1/31 Thierry Michel<tmichel@w3.org<mailto:tmichel@w3.org>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> Felix, >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> I have just published the RDF file you have sent. >> > > >>>> http://www.w3.org/2008/**WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/** >> > > >>>> metadata_formats/xmp-**canonical- >> > > original.xml<http://www.w3.org/200 >> > > >>>> 8/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/metadata_formats/xmp-canonical- >> > > origin >> > > >>>> al.xml> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> But I am getting lost now with your new wording. >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> Could you please send me the apropriate 4 files in sync ASAP >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> XMP- xml >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> See http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~**sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/MAWG_** >> > > >>>> test_canonical.xml<http://fabday.fh- >> > > potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xsl >> > > >>>> t/MAWG_test_canonical.xml>< >> > > >>>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/MAWG_** >> > > >>>> test_canonical.xml<http://fabday.fh- >> > > potsdam.de/%7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/x >> > > >>>> slt/MAWG_test_canonical.xml> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> XMP- rdf >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> See http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~**sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-** >> > > >>>> canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.rdf<http://fabday.fh- >> > > potsdam.de/ >> > > >>>> ~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.rdf>< >> > > >>>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-** >> > > >>>> canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.rdf<http://fabday.fh- >> > > potsdam.de/ >> > > >>>> %7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.rdf> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> XMP- ttl >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> See http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~**sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-** >> > > >>>> canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.ttl<http://fabday.fh- >> > > potsdam.de/ >> > > >>>> ~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.ttl>< >> > > >>>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-** >> > > >>>> canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.ttl<http://fabday.fh- >> > > potsdam.de/ >> > > >>>> %7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.ttl> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> XMP- JSON >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> As Florian pointed out, this file has not changed. It has been >> > > >>>> generated by Florian from the RDF, so I cannot re-generate it. >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> Best, >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> Felix >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> I am working on the implementation report and I must have >> the >> > > >>>> final files to work on these. >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> thanks you. >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> thierry >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> Felix Sasaki a écrit : >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> Yes indeed :) >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> Felix >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> 2012/1/31 Florian Stegmaier<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni- >> > > passau.**de<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.de> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-**passau.de<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni- >> > > pas >> > > >>>> sau.de> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-**passau.de<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni- >> > > pas >> > > >>>> sau.de> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-**passau.de<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni- >> > > pas >> > > >>>> sau.de> >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> Hi Felix, all! >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> In that case, Thierry should use the file as it was >> ;) >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> Cheers. >> > > >>>> _____________________________ >> > > >>>> Dipl. Inf. Florian Stegmaier >> > > >>>> Chair of Distributed Information Systems >> > > >>>> University of Passau >> > > >>>> Innstr. 43 >> > > >>>> 94032 Passau >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> Room 248 ITZ >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> Tel.: +49 851 509 3063<tel:%2B49%20851%20509%203063> >> > > >>>> <tel:%2B49%20851%20509%203063> >> > > >>>> Fax: +49 851 509 3062<tel:%2B49%20851%20509%203062> >> > > >>>> <tel:%2B49%20851%20509%203062> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau. >> **de<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni- >> > > passau.de> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-**passau.de<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni- >> > > pas >> > > >>>> sau.de> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-**passau.de<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni- >> > > pas >> > > >>>> sau.de> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-**passau.de<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni- >> > > pas >> > > >>>> sau.de> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> https://www.dimis.fim.uni- >> > > **passau.de/iris/<https://www.dimis.fim.uni-passau.de/iris/> >> > > >>>> http://twitter.com/fstegmai >> > > >>>> _____________________________ >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> Am 31.01.2012 um 13:02 schrieb Felix Sasaki: >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> > This was an error in the XSLT that generates the >> RDF >> > > from the >> > > >>>> original XMP. I have fixed this now, see >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > http://fabday.fh- >> > > potsdam.de/~**sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/<http://fabday.fh- >> > > potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> <http://fabday.fh- >> > > potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/<http://fabd >> > > >>>> ay.fh-potsdam.de/%7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> <http://fabday.fh- >> > > potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/<http://fabd >> > > >>>> ay.fh-potsdam.de/%7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~**sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp- >> > > >>>> **canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.rdf<http://fabday.fh- >> > > potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by- >> > > xslt.rdf> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> <http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-** >> > > >>>> canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.rdf<http://fabday.fh- >> > > potsdam.de/ >> > > >>>> %7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.rdf> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>> <http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%** >> > > >>>> 7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-**canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by- >> > > **xslt.rdf >> > > >>>> <http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp- >> > > canonical- >> > > >>>> mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.rdf> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > Florian, I guess you when need to regenerate the >> JSON >> > > >>>> from above >> > > >>>> RDF. >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > Felix >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > 2012/1/31 Bailer, Werner<werner.bailer@joanneum.at >> > > >>>> >> > > <mailto:werner.bailer@**joanneum.at<werner.bailer@joanneum.at>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> <mailto:werner.bailer@**joanneum.at<werner.bailer@joanneum.at> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> <mailto:werner.bailer@**joanneum.at<werner.bailer@joanneum.at>>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> > For some reason, the additional identifiers from >> the >> > > original >> > > >>>> XMP files were dropped in the RDF rather than having >> > > multiple >> > > >>>> identifiers, there is a comment instead >> > > >>>> <!--xmp:Identifier--> in >> > > >>>> the RDF. >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > Best regards, >> > > >>>> > Werner >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> > > >>>> > > Von: Florian Stegmaier >> > > >>>> [mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni- >> > > **passau.de<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.de> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-**passau.de<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni- >> > > pas >> > > >>>> sau.de> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>> <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni- >> > > **passau.de<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.de> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-**passau.de<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni- >> > > pas >> > > >>>> sau.de> >> > > >>>>>> ] >> > > >>>> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. Jänner 2012 12:27 >> > > >>>> > > An: tmichel@w3.org<mailto:tmichel@w3.org> >> > > >>>> <mailto:tmichel@w3.org<mailto:tmichel@w3.org>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> > > Cc: Felix Sasaki; >> public-media-annotation@w3.org >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> <mailto:public-media-**annotation@w3.org<public-media- >> > > annotation@w3 >> > > >>>> .org> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> <mailto:public-media-**annotation@w3.org<public-media- >> > > annotation@w3 >> > > >>>> .org> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> <mailto:public-media-**annotation@w3.org<public-media- >> > > annotation@w3 >> > > >>>> .org> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> > > Betreff: Re: XMP example and XMP JSON response >> > > files don't >> > > >>>> seem to be in >> > > >>>> > > sync. >> > > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > Hi Thierry, >> > > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > yes, i have already told you that this is is a >> > > relict >> > > >>>> before >> > > >>>> our decision to use >> > > >>>> > > the RDF data set as basis. Please use the >> attached >> > > >>>> version of >> > > >>>> the JSON >> > > >>>> > > instead. In any case, the information of the >> RDF >> > > shall be >> > > >>>> reflected in the >> > > >>>> > > JSON. >> > > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > Are there also difficulties because of *-a/*-b >> > > test cases? >> > > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > Cheers. >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > -- >> > > >>>> > Felix Sasaki >> > > >>>> > DFKI / W3C Fellow >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> -- Felix Sasaki >> > > >>>> DFKI / W3C Fellow >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> -- >> > > >>>> Felix Sasaki >> > > >>>> DFKI / W3C Fellow >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Felix Sasaki >> > DFKI / W3C Fellow >> >> > > > -- > Felix Sasaki > DFKI / W3C Fellow > -- Thierry Michel W3C
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