- From: Bailer, Werner <werner.bailer@joanneum.at>
- Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:47:57 +0100
- To: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>, Höffernig, Martin <Martin.Hoeffernig@joanneum.at>
- CC: Florian Stegmaier <stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.de>, "tmichel@w3.org" <tmichel@w3.org>, "public-media-annotation@w3.org" <public-media-annotation@w3.org>
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Felix, to clarify this: ma:identifer is part of the spec, but there is no corresponding element in the RDF vocabulary. The reference [1] cited by Martin states: "(1) The identifier of a media resource is represented in RDF by the URI of the node representing that media resource. If a resource is identified by several URI, owl:sameAs should be used." The identifier can be expressed by rdf:about on the ma:MediaResource node (see other examples, e.g. the mapping of dc:identifier). As the note above states, if you have several identifiers, use owl:sameAs (see e.g. the MPEG-7 example). Best regards, Werner [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/PR-mediaont-10-20111129/#correspondance-id1 Von: Felix Sasaki [mailto:fsasaki@w3.org] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 02. Februar 2012 13:42 An: Höffernig, Martin Cc: Florian Stegmaier; tmichel@w3.org; Bailer, Werner; public-media-annotation@w3.org Betreff: Re: XMP example and XMP JSON response files don't seem to be in sync. Just to make sure I understand: ma:identifier is at http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/PR-mediaont-10-20111129/#core-property-definitions and in the mapping tables e.g. at http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/PR-mediaont-10-20111129/#xmp-table but not part of the spec? I am happy to remove ma:identifier from the XMP example(s), but want to be sure I am doing the right thing. Felix 2012/2/2 Höffernig, Martin <Martin.Hoeffernig@joanneum.at<mailto:Martin.Hoeffernig@joanneum.at>> Dear Felix, all, I have checked the RDF and TTL version of the XMP example. Both ontology files (RDF and TTL version) contain the property ma:identifier in connection with 3 different identifier values (xmp:Identifier 1, xmp:Identifier 2, xmp:Identifier 3). However, property ma:identifier is no longer part of ma ontology spec [1]. [1]: http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/PR-mediaont-10-20111129/#correspondance-id1 Best, Martin > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Florian Stegmaier [mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.de<mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.de>] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 02. Februar 2012 10:40 > An: tmichel@w3.org<mailto:tmichel@w3.org> > Cc: Felix Sasaki; Bailer, Werner; public-media-annotation@w3.org<mailto:public-media-annotation@w3.org> > Betreff: Re: XMP example and XMP JSON response files don't seem to be > in sync. > > Hi Thierry, all, > > at the moment, Martin is checking the RDF file. In case the RDF file is > correct (which i think it will be), i will check the JSON response, if > it fits to the current RDF version. I will send you my findings later. > > Cheers. > _____________________________ > Dipl. Inf. Florian Stegmaier > Chair of Distributed Information Systems University of Passau Innstr. > 43 > 94032 Passau > > Room 248 ITZ > > Tel.: +49 851 509 3063<tel:%2B49%20851%20509%203063> > Fax: +49 851 509 3062<tel:%2B49%20851%20509%203062> > > stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.de<mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.de> > https://www.dimis.fim.uni-passau.de/iris/ > http://twitter.com/fstegmai > _____________________________ > > Am 02.02.2012<tel:02.02.2012> um 10:38 schrieb Thierry MICHEL: > > > Felix, > > > > I have republished the XMP .rdf and .ttl file from > > http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical- > mapped > > -to-mawg-by-xslt.ttl > > and > > http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical- > mapped > > -to-mawg-by-xslt.rdf > > > > to > > > http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/metadata_formats/xm > > p-canonical-mapped-to-mawg.ttl > > > http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/metadata_formats/xm > > p-canonical-mapped-to-mawg.rdf > > > > these RDf and TTL files seem identical to the former ones. > > > > > > I hope it is also the case for the corresponding JSON response > > > http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/API10/JSON/normativ > > e_json_ma_xmp.json > > > > Because I have used this file to make the testsuite ... > > > > Thierry. > > > > > > > > Le 02/02/2012 09:31, Felix Sasaki a écrit : > >> Thierry, Florian, all, > >> > >> I have generated the .rdf and .ttl file from the .xml file > >> automatically, these are definitely in sync. Florian, could you > >> re-generate the JSON file from > >> <http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-**<http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%25**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-**> > >> canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.rdf<http://fabday.fh- > potsdam.de/~s<http://potsdam.de/~s> > >> asaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.rdf> > >>> > >> ? > >> > >> Then we are sure that everything is OK. > >> > >> Felix > >> > >> 2012/1/31 Thierry Michel<tmichel@w3.org<mailto:tmichel@w3.org>> > >> > >>> Felix, > >>> > >>> could you please check that the 4 files are indeed in sync > >>> > >>> > >>> http://www.w3.org/2008/**WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/** > >>> metadata_formats/xmp-**canonical- > original.xml<http://www.w3.org/2008 > >>> /WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/metadata_formats/xmp-canonical- > original > >>> .xml>< > >>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/MAWG_**<http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%25**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/MAWG_**> > >>> test_canonical.xml<http://fabday.fh- > potsdam.de/%7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xs<http://potsdam.de/%7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xs> > >>> lt/MAWG_test_canonical.xml> > >>>> > >>> > >>> http://www.w3.org/2008/**WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/** > >>> metadata_formats/xmp-**canonical-mapped-to- > mawg.rdf<http://www.w3.or > >>> g/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/metadata_formats/xmp-canonical- > ma > >>> pped-to-mawg.rdf>< > >>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-**<http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%25**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-**> > >>> canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.rdf<http://fabday.fh- > potsdam.de/%<http://potsdam.de/%25> > >>> 7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.rdf> > >>>> > >>> > >>> http://www.w3.org/2008/**WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/** > >>> metadata_formats/xmp-**canonical-mapped-to- > mawg.ttl<http://www.w3.or > >>> g/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/metadata_formats/xmp-canonical- > ma > >>> pped-to-mawg.ttl>< > >>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-**<http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%25**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-**> > >>> canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.ttl<http://fabday.fh- > potsdam.de/%<http://potsdam.de/%25> > >>> 7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.ttl> > >>>> > >>> > >>> http://www.w3.org/2008/**WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/** > >>> > API10/JSON/normative_json_ma_**xmp.json<http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVi > >>> deo/Annotations/drafts/API10/JSON/normative_json_ma_xmp.json> > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> I would not want to have to redo the alll test suite ... > >>> > >>> Thierry > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Felix Sasaki a écrit : > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 2012/1/31 Thierry Michel<tmichel@w3.org<mailto:tmichel@w3.org><mailto:tmichel@w3.org<mailto:tmichel@w3.org>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Felix, > >>>> > >>>> I have just published the RDF file you have sent. > >>>> http://www.w3.org/2008/**WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/** > >>>> metadata_formats/xmp-**canonical- > original.xml<http://www.w3.org/200 > >>>> 8/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/metadata_formats/xmp-canonical- > origin > >>>> al.xml> > >>>> > >>>> But I am getting lost now with your new wording. > >>>> > >>>> Could you please send me the apropriate 4 files in sync ASAP > >>>> > >>>> XMP- xml > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> See http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~**sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/MAWG_** > >>>> test_canonical.xml<http://fabday.fh- > potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xsl<http://potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xsl> > >>>> t/MAWG_test_canonical.xml>< > >>>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/MAWG_**<http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%25**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/MAWG_**> > >>>> test_canonical.xml<http://fabday.fh- > potsdam.de/%7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/x<http://potsdam.de/%7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/x> > >>>> slt/MAWG_test_canonical.xml> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> XMP- rdf > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> See http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~**sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-** > >>>> canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.rdf<http://fabday.fh- > potsdam.de/<http://potsdam.de/> > >>>> ~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.rdf>< > >>>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-**<http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%25**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-**> > >>>> canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.rdf<http://fabday.fh- > potsdam.de/<http://potsdam.de/> > >>>> %7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.rdf> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> XMP- ttl > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> See http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~**sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-** > >>>> canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.ttl<http://fabday.fh- > potsdam.de/<http://potsdam.de/> > >>>> ~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.ttl>< > >>>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-**<http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%25**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-**> > >>>> canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.ttl<http://fabday.fh- > potsdam.de/<http://potsdam.de/> > >>>> %7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.ttl> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> XMP- JSON > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> As Florian pointed out, this file has not changed. It has been > >>>> generated by Florian from the RDF, so I cannot re-generate it. > >>>> > >>>> Best, > >>>> > >>>> Felix > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I am working on the implementation report and I must have the > >>>> final files to work on these. > >>>> > >>>> thanks you. > >>>> > >>>> thierry > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Felix Sasaki a écrit : > >>>> > >>>> Yes indeed :) > >>>> > >>>> Felix > >>>> > >>>> 2012/1/31 Florian Stegmaier<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni- <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-%0b>> passau.**de<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.de<mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.de>> > >>>> > >>>> <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-<mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni->**passau.de<http://passau.de><stegmai@dimis.fim.uni- > pas > >>>> sau.de<http://sau.de>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-<mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni->**passau.de<http://passau.de><stegmai@dimis.fim.uni- > pas > >>>> sau.de<http://sau.de>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-<mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni->**passau.de<http://passau.de><stegmai@dimis.fim.uni- > pas > >>>> sau.de<http://sau.de>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hi Felix, all! > >>>> > >>>> In that case, Thierry should use the file as it was ;) > >>>> > >>>> Cheers. > >>>> _____________________________ > >>>> Dipl. Inf. Florian Stegmaier > >>>> Chair of Distributed Information Systems > >>>> University of Passau > >>>> Innstr. 43 > >>>> 94032 Passau > >>>> > >>>> Room 248 ITZ > >>>> > >>>> Tel.: +49 851 509 3063<tel:%2B49%20851%20509%203063><tel:%2B49%20851%20509%203063> > >>>> <tel:%2B49%20851%20509%203063> > >>>> Fax: +49 851 509 3062<tel:%2B49%20851%20509%203062><tel:%2B49%20851%20509%203062> > >>>> <tel:%2B49%20851%20509%203062> > >>>> > >>>> stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.**de<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-<mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.**de%3cstegmai@dimis.fim.uni-> > passau.de<http://passau.de>> > >>>> > >>>> <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-<mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni->**passau.de<http://passau.de><stegmai@dimis.fim.uni- > pas > >>>> sau.de<http://sau.de>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-<mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni->**passau.de<http://passau.de><stegmai@dimis.fim.uni- > pas > >>>> sau.de<http://sau.de>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-<mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni->**passau.de<http://passau.de><stegmai@dimis.fim.uni- > pas > >>>> sau.de<http://sau.de>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> https://www.dimis.fim.uni- > **passau.de/iris/<http://passau.de/iris/><https://www.dimis.fim.uni-passau.de/iris/> > >>>> http://twitter.com/fstegmai > >>>> _____________________________ > >>>> > >>>> Am 31.01.2012 um 13:02 schrieb Felix Sasaki: > >>>> > >>>> > This was an error in the XSLT that generates the RDF > from the > >>>> original XMP. I have fixed this now, see > >>>> > > >>>> > http://fabday.fh- > potsdam.de/~**sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/<http://potsdam.de/~**sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/><http://fabday.fh- > potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/<http://potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/>> > >>>> > >>>> <http://fabday.fh- > potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/<http://potsdam.de/%25**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/><http://fabd > >>>> ay.fh-potsdam.de/%7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/<http://ay.fh-potsdam.de/%7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> <http://fabday.fh- > potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/<http://potsdam.de/%25**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/><http://fabd > >>>> ay.fh-potsdam.de/%7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/<http://ay.fh-potsdam.de/%7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/>> > >>>>> > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~**sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp- > >>>> **canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.rdf<http://fabday.fh- > potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-<http://potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-> > xslt.rdf> > >>>> > >>>> <http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-**<http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%25**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-**> > >>>> canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.rdf<http://fabday.fh- > potsdam.de/<http://potsdam.de/> > >>>> %7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.rdf> > >>>>> > >>>> <http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%**<http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%25**> > >>>> 7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-**canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by- > **xslt.rdf > >>>> <http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp- > canonical- > >>>> mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.rdf> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> > Florian, I guess you when need to regenerate the JSON > >>>> from above > >>>> RDF. > >>>> > > >>>> > Felix > >>>> > > >>>> > 2012/1/31 Bailer, Werner<werner.bailer@joanneum.at<mailto:werner.bailer@joanneum.at> > >>>> > <mailto:werner.bailer@<mailto:werner.bailer@>**joanneum.at<http://joanneum.at><werner.bailer@joanneum.at<mailto:werner.bailer@joanneum.at>>> > >>>> > >>>> <mailto:werner.bailer@<mailto:werner.bailer@>**joanneum.at<http://joanneum.at><werner.bailer@joanneum.at<mailto:werner.bailer@joanneum.at>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> <mailto:werner.bailer@<mailto:werner.bailer@>**joanneum.at<http://joanneum.at><werner.bailer@joanneum.at<mailto:werner.bailer@joanneum.at>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > For some reason, the additional identifiers from the > original > >>>> XMP files were dropped in the RDF rather than having > multiple > >>>> identifiers, there is a comment instead > >>>> <!--xmp:Identifier--> in > >>>> the RDF. > >>>> > > >>>> > Best regards, > >>>> > Werner > >>>> > > >>>> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > >>>> > > Von: Florian Stegmaier > >>>> [mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-<mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-> > **passau.de<http://passau.de><stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.de<mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.de>> > >>>> > >>>> <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-<mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni->**passau.de<http://passau.de><stegmai@dimis.fim.uni- > pas > >>>> sau.de<http://sau.de>> > >>>>> > >>>> <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-<mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-> > **passau.de<http://passau.de><stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.de<mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.de>> > >>>> > >>>> <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-<mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni->**passau.de<http://passau.de><stegmai@dimis.fim.uni- > pas > >>>> sau.de<http://sau.de>> > >>>>>> ] > >>>> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. Jänner 2012 12:27 > >>>> > > An: tmichel@w3.org<mailto:tmichel@w3.org><mailto:tmichel@w3.org<mailto:tmichel@w3.org>> > >>>> <mailto:tmichel@w3.org<mailto:tmichel@w3.org><mailto:tmichel@w3.org<mailto:tmichel@w3.org>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > Cc: Felix Sasaki; public-media-annotation@w3.org<mailto:public-media-annotation@w3.org> > >>>> > >>>> <mailto:public-media-<mailto:public-media->**annotation@w3.org<mailto:annotation@w3.org><public-media- > annotation@w3 > >>>> .org> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> <mailto:public-media-<mailto:public-media->**annotation@w3.org<mailto:annotation@w3.org><public-media- > annotation@w3 > >>>> .org> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> <mailto:public-media-<mailto:public-media->**annotation@w3.org<mailto:annotation@w3.org><public-media- > annotation@w3 > >>>> .org> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > Betreff: Re: XMP example and XMP JSON response > files don't > >>>> seem to be in > >>>> > > sync. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Hi Thierry, > >>>> > > > >>>> > > yes, i have already told you that this is is a > relict > >>>> before > >>>> our decision to use > >>>> > > the RDF data set as basis. Please use the attached > >>>> version of > >>>> the JSON > >>>> > > instead. In any case, the information of the RDF > shall be > >>>> reflected in the > >>>> > > JSON. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Are there also difficulties because of *-a/*-b > test cases? > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Cheers. > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > -- > >>>> > Felix Sasaki > >>>> > DFKI / W3C Fellow > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- Felix Sasaki > >>>> DFKI / W3C Fellow > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Felix Sasaki > >>>> DFKI / W3C Fellow > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > -- Felix Sasaki DFKI / W3C Fellow
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