- From: Evain, Jean-Pierre <evain@ebu.ch>
- Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 08:01:17 +0100
- To: Pierre-Antoine Champin <pierre-antoine.champin@liris.cnrs.fr>
- CC: "'tobias@tobiasbuerger.com'" <tobias@tobiasbuerger.com>, "mcsuarez@fi.upm.es" <mcsuarez@fi.upm.es>, "public-media-annotation@w3.org" <public-media-annotation@w3.org>
Then the logic would be to move Image as a sub-class of fragment?? JP ________________________________________ De : Pierre-Antoine Champin [pierre-antoine.champin@liris.cnrs.fr] Date d'envoi : dimanche, 5. décembre 2010 22:35 À : Evain, Jean-Pierre Cc : 'tobias@tobiasbuerger.com'; mcsuarez@fi.upm.es; public-media-annotation@w3.org Objet : Re: RE : Next iteration of the RDF ontology On 12/03/2010 01:18 PM, Evain, Jean-Pierre wrote: > I was thinking of this but I am not sure that we have any mechanism > to point to a fragment / region within a picture -> at least not > covered by the ontology and I am not even sure about what MFWG has > done, which would allow their URI to point to one. Media Fragment URIs allows for rectangular spatial fragments: http://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags/#naming-space pa > > Regards, > > Jean-Pierre > > > -----Original Message----- From: Pierre-Antoine Champin > [mailto:pierre-antoine.champin@liris.cnrs.fr] Sent: vendredi, 3. > décembre 2010 12:29 To: Evain, Jean-Pierre Cc: > 'tobias@tobiasbuerger.com'; mcsuarez@fi.upm.es; > public-media-annotation@w3.org Subject: Re: RE : Next iteration of > the RDF ontology > > On 12/03/2010 09:51 AM, Evain, Jean-Pierre wrote: >> Dear Mari-Carmen, >> >> Based on the latest version (thanks Tobias ;-), we could >> effectively be more restrictive and say that MediaFragment >> isFragmentOf (MediaResource and not Image). > > ehr... an Image can have fragments, namely spatial fragments. > > In general, to respond Mari's comment about constraining hasFragment > is a two side coins... By constraining, we may indeed detect some > inconsistencies... On the other hand, we might limit the use of the > ontology in situations that we do not envision right now. > > So I would be in favor of leaving the domain and range as is. A > specific application is of course free to put additional constraints > to fulfill its needs. > > This is a personal opinion though; not necessarily the one of the > RDF Taskforce or the WG... > > pa > > >> >> If I have covered most of your questions in my two mails then I’ll >> work on a version 26. Waiting for confirmation. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Jean-Pierre >> >> *From:*tobias.buerger@gmail.com [mailto:tobias.buerger@gmail.com] >> *On Behalf Of *Tobias Bürger *Sent:* vendredi, 3. décembre 2010 >> 08:33 *To:* Evain, Jean-Pierre *Cc:* mcsuarez@fi.upm.es; >> Pierre-Antoine Champin; public-media-annotation@w3.org *Subject:* >> Re: RE : Next iteration of the RDF ontology >> >> Dear Mari-Carmen, >> >> thanks also from my side for the feedback and thanks to Jean-Pierre >> for answering your questions! >> >> What I wanted to add is, that you, Mari-Carmen, looked at an old >> version of the ontology. The most recent version was sent around >> with this mail: >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Nov/0130.html >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Tobias >> >> 2010/12/2 Evain, Jean-Pierre<evain@ebu.ch<mailto:evain@ebu.ch>> >> >> Hello Mari-Carmen, >> >> Thanks for the feedback. >> >> I'll first try to summarise what the intention was and then we'll >> come back to your specific points. >> >> The idea of the current class model is: >> >> A MediaResource can be one or more images and /or one or more AV >> MediaFragment. >> >> By definition, in the model, an AV MediaResource is made of at >> least one MediaFragment. >> >> A MediaFragment is the equivalent of a segment or in some standards >> like NewsML-g2 or EBUCore, a part. >> >> A MediaFragment is composed of one or more media components >> organised in tracks (separate tracks for captioning/subtitling or >> signing if provided in a separate file): audio, video, >> captioning/subtitling, signing. There could be other types of >> tracks like a 'data' track, etc. >> >> Addressing some of your remarks: >> >> - a frame could be a MediaFragment with a duration of one frame and >> if you wnat to address only the farme as a video frame then the >> component is the VideoTrack. We could have segment and frame as >> possible media fragments in the definition - an image could also be >> a key frame - as mentioned above captioning is the same as subtitle >> and this should be mentioned in the definitions if you think it >> helps. >> >> For isFragmentOf, I'll come back to you tomorrow. >> >> It took me 48 hours to return from Paris making me a climatic >> refugee going from airports to train stations. That's exactly when >> my main PC decide to crash and doesn't let me log in. I am working >> from a backup PC on which I don't have the last version of the >> ontology. SHould be fine by tomorrow ;-) >> >> Best regards, >> >> Jean-Pierre >> >> >> >> ________________________________________ De : Mari Carmen Suárez de >> Figueroa Baonza [mcsuarez@fi.upm.es <mailto:mcsuarez@fi.upm.es>] >> Date d'envoi : jeudi, 2. décembre 2010 17:17 À : Evain, >> Jean-Pierre Cc : Pierre-Antoine Champin; >> public-media-annotation@w3.org >> <mailto:public-media-annotation@w3.org> Objet : Re: Next iteration >> of the RDF ontology >> >> >> Dear Jean-Pierre and all, >> >> I took a look to the ontology you sent on 15th November, and I >> have a pair of comments (maybe you have already discussed about >> them, sorry if this is the case). >> >> - With respect to the Track class and its subclasses (AudioTrack, >> Captioning, VideoTrack), I would suggest to complete the comments >> for the subclasses, because as it is know is difficult to >> understand the meaning of them (for a newcomer). In this context I >> have a pair of doubts: is it AudioTrack the same as Segment? is it >> VideoTrack the same as Frame? is it Captioning the same as >> Subtitle? If so, could you consider to include these labels as >> synonyms of the existing classes? >> >> - In the case of the relation called "isFragmentOf" (domain: >> MediaFragment; range: MediaResource), I was wondering if it would >> not be better to extend/modified the current modelling in order to >> avoid possible inconsistences (such as "an image having as a >> fragment a video track and an audio track"). >> >> Thank you very much in advance. Best Regards, >> >> Mari Carmen. >> >> Evain, Jean-Pierre escribió: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> Following the changes made during TPAC, we have been working >>> with >> Pierre-Antoine and Tobias to improve the ontology and the mapping >> to the abstract ontology. >>> >>> The result of this work is attached. We will suggest a few >>> changes to >> the abstract ontology to improve the logic of the semantic (date >> property structure) and also to improve interoperability with the >> MFWG specification (improving the mediaFragment structure). >>> >>> You will also notice that we are now more systematic in our >>> approach >> illustrated by the removal of the contributor class hierarchy >> (which was there to mimic the abstract structure and help adoption) >> now implemented through properties. >>> >>> Pierre Antoine will review the mapping table and we'll update the >>> RDF >> according to the decisions we make tomorrow. >>> >>> Cheers, JP (also on behalf on Tobias and Pierre-Antoine) >>> >>> >>> >>> ----------------------------------------- >>> ************************************************** This email and >>> any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended >>> solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are >>> addressed. 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