Re: [MathOnWeb] a11y task force minutes 2018-09-24

Small correction: my dyslexia example is that 3 and 8 are sometimes
confused, as are 6 and 9, 5 and 2, + and ÷. There are others things also.

    Neil


On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 1:11 PM Peter Krautzberger <peter@krautzource.com>
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Here are the minutes from the meeting of the accessibility task force
> this week.
>
> Best,
> Peter.
>
> # MathOnWeb Accessibility Task Force meeting, 2018-09-24
>
> * Present: Volker, Charles, Peter, Neil, Krista
>   * Regrets: Joanie, Kevin, Dani
> * Peter: TPAC
>   * last time we listed labeling and navigation and had a discussion about
> the place of tooling
>   * how do we get there?
> * Charles: there's also the CSS meeting
>   * Peter: yes, mostly the TF but everyone welcome (I think)
>   * Neil: is there something a11y related?
>     * Peter: not as such. It's focused on layout
>   * Neil: dyslexia
>     * unclear research on fonts
>     * other ideas though
>   * Charles: there was also color, bolding etc?
>     * Neil: right. lots of complications
>       * can you even do this on a character level?
>     * Peter: not on a dev level, but engines might
>   * Neil: would be good to ask this but not sure if it's trivial?
>     * ACTION: Charles to find out the state
>   * Krista: what's the background on this?
>     * why would you change the color?
>     * Neil: helps people who have trouble identifying shapes
>       * e.g. E and 3,  8 and B
>       * you can use colors to identify each, and rotate colors
>     * Krista: ok, makes sense for those users
>       * would need user controlled removal for color blindness
>       * Neil: right.
>       * Charles: customization can help
> * Peter: it seems to me that our disambiguation work does not lend itself
> to discussion at TPAC
>   * not really constructive, just tells us how complicated it is
>   * what do people think?
>   * Neil: we don't really have a proposal
> * Volker: but we wanted to discuss navigation?
>   * Peter: right. Just back tracking
>   * ACTION: peter and volker to summarize the approaches used in MathJax
> a11y extensions, light walker (and possibly other tools in this space)
> * Peter: this connects to labeling
>   * but that came from Dani
>   * Maybe make it an action for him
>   * ACTION Dani to write up page on labeling
> * Krista: question: I'm working with instructors on making accessible
> content
>   * do you have guidelines for instructors for authoring?
>   * and beyond web to word and PDF
>   * Neil: PDF does have MathML nowadays
>     * but no authoring tools
>   * Peter: authoring guidelines is definitely in scope
>     * print maybe not so much but technically we can do whatever people
> want to tackle
> * Krista: is MathML in LMS a topic?
>   * Peter: it's come up before but no specific work items
>   * Neil: LMS integration of WIRIS tools probably the standard
> * Krista: for faculty, do you have recommendations to answer "how to
> produce this accessibly"?
>   * Charles: Benetech has some groups on this
>   * Neil: for LMS, there's WIRIS's tools
>   * Charles: there's math support finder and ebook prototype
> * Krista: I recommend MathML in docx files. Is that reasonable?
>   * Neil: yes. Peter will disagree
>   * Peter: for non-web and not being sued, yes. For best quality, imho, no
>   * Volker: there are limitations, especially on more advanced fields
>     * one should never throw away sources, e.g., LaTeX
>