Re: [MathOnWeb] a11y task force minutes 2018-09-24

Thanks, Neil.

Am Mi., 26. Sep. 2018 um 07:29 Uhr schrieb Neil Soiffer <
soiffer@alum.mit.edu>:

> Small correction: my dyslexia example is that 3 and 8 are sometimes
> confused, as are 6 and 9, 5 and 2, + and ÷. There are others things also.
>
>     Neil
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> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 1:11 PM Peter Krautzberger <peter@krautzource.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Here are the minutes from the meeting of the accessibility task force
>> this week.
>>
>> Best,
>> Peter.
>>
>> # MathOnWeb Accessibility Task Force meeting, 2018-09-24
>>
>> * Present: Volker, Charles, Peter, Neil, Krista
>>   * Regrets: Joanie, Kevin, Dani
>> * Peter: TPAC
>>   * last time we listed labeling and navigation and had a discussion
>> about the place of tooling
>>   * how do we get there?
>> * Charles: there's also the CSS meeting
>>   * Peter: yes, mostly the TF but everyone welcome (I think)
>>   * Neil: is there something a11y related?
>>     * Peter: not as such. It's focused on layout
>>   * Neil: dyslexia
>>     * unclear research on fonts
>>     * other ideas though
>>   * Charles: there was also color, bolding etc?
>>     * Neil: right. lots of complications
>>       * can you even do this on a character level?
>>     * Peter: not on a dev level, but engines might
>>   * Neil: would be good to ask this but not sure if it's trivial?
>>     * ACTION: Charles to find out the state
>>   * Krista: what's the background on this?
>>     * why would you change the color?
>>     * Neil: helps people who have trouble identifying shapes
>>       * e.g. E and 3,  8 and B
>>       * you can use colors to identify each, and rotate colors
>>     * Krista: ok, makes sense for those users
>>       * would need user controlled removal for color blindness
>>       * Neil: right.
>>       * Charles: customization can help
>> * Peter: it seems to me that our disambiguation work does not lend itself
>> to discussion at TPAC
>>   * not really constructive, just tells us how complicated it is
>>   * what do people think?
>>   * Neil: we don't really have a proposal
>> * Volker: but we wanted to discuss navigation?
>>   * Peter: right. Just back tracking
>>   * ACTION: peter and volker to summarize the approaches used in MathJax
>> a11y extensions, light walker (and possibly other tools in this space)
>> * Peter: this connects to labeling
>>   * but that came from Dani
>>   * Maybe make it an action for him
>>   * ACTION Dani to write up page on labeling
>> * Krista: question: I'm working with instructors on making accessible
>> content
>>   * do you have guidelines for instructors for authoring?
>>   * and beyond web to word and PDF
>>   * Neil: PDF does have MathML nowadays
>>     * but no authoring tools
>>   * Peter: authoring guidelines is definitely in scope
>>     * print maybe not so much but technically we can do whatever people
>> want to tackle
>> * Krista: is MathML in LMS a topic?
>>   * Peter: it's come up before but no specific work items
>>   * Neil: LMS integration of WIRIS tools probably the standard
>> * Krista: for faculty, do you have recommendations to answer "how to
>> produce this accessibly"?
>>   * Charles: Benetech has some groups on this
>>   * Neil: for LMS, there's WIRIS's tools
>>   * Charles: there's math support finder and ebook prototype
>> * Krista: I recommend MathML in docx files. Is that reasonable?
>>   * Neil: yes. Peter will disagree
>>   * Peter: for non-web and not being sued, yes. For best quality, imho, no
>>   * Volker: there are limitations, especially on more advanced fields
>>     * one should never throw away sources, e.g., LaTeX
>>
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