- From: Leigh Dodds <leigh@ldodds.com>
- Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 13:08:38 +0100
- To: Linking Open Data <public-lod@w3.org>, SW-forum <semantic-web@w3.org>
Hi, Can I respectfully suggest that there are better forums for discussing Open Access and reinvention of scientific publishing? Cheers, L. On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Alexander Garcia Castro <alexgarciac@gmail.com> wrote: > not sure if they pay. I know we do pay, and with current prices I > would expect conferences like ESWC and ISWC should be able to support > a more open policy. The ISWC2013 proceedings are not free of charge, > see http://www.springer.com/computer/ai/book/978-3-642-35172-3 > > this is my issue with the whole business model, we write for free, we > review for free, and then we pay to consume the content we generate. > in a time when content is king we are giving it away for free. > > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Andrea Splendiani > <andrea.splendiani@iscb.org> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Do you actually know that Springer is paying something ? >> I don't think publishers pay, usually. >> >> best, >> Andrea >> >> Il giorno 14/mag/2013, alle ore 10:51, phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) ha scritto: >> >>> >>> >>> Dump Springer, and just publish the results on arXiv. If ESWC cannot >>> organise a conference at 800 Euro a pop, without cash from Springer, >>> then perhaps they should try getting a cheaper venue. >>> >>> Better still, let's separate out the committees, the publication, and >>> the conference. The committees can look at papers, they can all be >>> published on arxiv. And people who want can go to the conference. >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> >>> Alexander Garcia Castro <alexgarciac@gmail.com> writes: >>>> the question is simple. both, eswc and iswc are prominent conferences >>>> because of a serious review process, a well structured set of >>>> committees working hard at the time of organization... but most of >>>> all, because we the community have accepted both conferences to be >>>> important. this will not change. so my point is, are publishers >>>> contributing with money, serious money, to the organization of the >>>> conferences? how are they buying and how are we selling the >>>> publication rights? If tomorrow there were no springer how much would >>>> that affect the finances of eswc and iswc? substantially? why not >>>> enforcing an open publication policy for iswc and eswc? why not >>>> selling publication rights as a bidding process? >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Rowe, Matthew <m.rowe@lancaster.ac.uk> wrote: >>>>> As authors of accepted papers, don't we have the right to disseminate our >>>>> work as a pre-prints anyway? I just put mine online anyway, and always have >>>>> done (and will do) for people to download and read. >>>>> >>>>> Matthew >>>>> >>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 10:12, Phillip Lord wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ISWC and ESWC are a particular problem because they are both Springer. I >>>>>> pulled my paper from publication last year, as they would not do an open >>>>>> access option. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, with the situation as it stands, I cannot publish any semantic web >>>>>> research in either of these two conferences. >>>>>> >>>>>> Phil >>>>>> >>>>>> Alexander Garcia Castro <alexgarciac@gmail.com> writes: >>>>>> >>>>>>> conferences are important on their own. for instance, right now the >>>>>>> ISWC is an important conference regardless of the publisher of the >>>>>>> proceedings. if I wanted to get the 2012 proceedings I may have to pay >>>>>>> (http://www.springer.com/computer/ai/book/978-3-642-35172-3). do >>>>>>> publishers pay the ISWC organizers for the right to publish the >>>>>>> proceedings? I mean, as things are now the ISWC brings people to >>>>>>> springer, not the other way around. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Leon Derczynski <leon@dcs.shef.ac.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>> Reliable dissemination. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> CEUR-WS, ACL Anthology et al. do a valuable, critical job. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 13 May 2013 17:25, Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If we subscribe to science, free and open access to knowledge, what's the >>>>>>>>> purpose of the arrangement between conferences and publishers? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Sarven >>>>>>>>> http://csarven.ca/#i >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Leon R A Derczynski >>>>>>>> Research Associate, NLP Group >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Department of Computer Science >>>>>>>> University of Sheffield >>>>>>>> Regent Court, 211 Portobello >>>>>>>> Sheffield S1 4DP, UK >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> +45 5157 4948 >>>>>>>> http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/~leon/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>>>>> "Beyond the PDF" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>>>>> email to beyond-the-pdf+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Alexander Garcia >>>>>>> http://www.alexandergarcia.name/ >>>>>>> http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/75943.html >>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/alexgarciac >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Phillip Lord, Phone: +44 (0) 191 222 7827 >>>>>> Lecturer in Bioinformatics, Email: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk >>>>>> School of Computing Science, http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/phillip.lord >>>>>> Room 914 Claremont Tower, skype: russet_apples >>>>>> Newcastle University, twitter: phillord >>>>>> NE1 7RU >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Beyond the PDF" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beyond-the-pdf+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Phillip Lord, Phone: +44 (0) 191 222 7827 >>> Lecturer in Bioinformatics, Email: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk >>> School of Computing Science, http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/phillip.lord >>> Room 914 Claremont Tower, skype: russet_apples >>> Newcastle University, twitter: phillord >>> NE1 7RU >>> >> > > > > -- > Alexander Garcia > http://www.alexandergarcia.name/ > http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/75943.html > http://www.linkedin.com/in/alexgarciac > -- Leigh Dodds Freelance Technologist Open Data, Linked Data Geek t: @ldodds w: ldodds.com e: leigh@ldodds.com
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