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Re: Is science on sale this week?

From: Alexander Garcia Castro <alexgarciac@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 14:07:01 +0200
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To: beyond-the-pdf@googlegroups.com
Cc: Andrea Splendiani <andrea.splendiani@iscb.org>, Phillip Lord <phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk>, Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca>, Linking Open Data <public-lod@w3.org>, SW-forum <semantic-web@w3.org>
what if the journal is not well known, or known within a very
specific/small community and with a low or inexistent impact factor.
then, what is the added value? reputation is made by the community,
not entirely by the publisher. the core of the work, writing,
gathering papers, distributing to reviewers, reviewing, decision
making, is what makes reputation possible.

content is king, content rules in most businesses in the web; not in
academic publishing. we generate content, do most fo quality assurance
and sustain the whole ecosystem. then, as added value we get content
locked up in a pdf, and very often content for which we have to pay
(very generously).

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:58 PM, rebholz/ebi <rebholz@ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> the decision for the publisher is usually separate from the other decisions.
> Sometimes there are liasisons (see ISMB and J Bioinformatics) and this leads
> to a discount for the participants (20% on the publication fees).
>
> Apart from the scientific work around a journal (gathering papers,
> distributing to reviewers, reviewing, decision making) there is other work:
> proof reading, layout issues and also marketing the journal.  Usually,
> acadmics are not so fond of this part of the work.
>
> I am running a journal (JBMS). It has an author-pays model combined with
> open access (including mining), has been setup by Biomed Central, which is
> now owned by Springer.  I find it a good setup, but have to admit that
> defending the costs is not easy.
> On the other side, authors expect that they get good visibility with their
> paper (including being in a journal with a good reputation) and this is not
> only the condition that the paper is available through an open archive, i.e.
> the reputation (whatever this is) should go on top.
>
> Conclusion: I stay away from any provocative statements about publishers,
> but am curious to learn how to move this debate into something tangible.
> Some kind of infrastructure would be great, but somebody has to maintain it
> too.
>
> Ciao,
> D.
>
>
> On 14/05/2013 12:47, Andrea Splendiani wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Do you actually know that Springer is paying something ?
>> I don't think publishers pay, usually.
>>
>> best,
>> Andrea
>>
>> Il giorno 14/mag/2013, alle ore 10:51, phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk
>> (Phillip Lord) ha scritto:
>>
>>>
>>> Dump Springer, and just publish the results on arXiv. If ESWC cannot
>>> organise a conference at 800 Euro a pop, without cash from Springer,
>>> then perhaps they should try getting a cheaper venue.
>>>
>>> Better still, let's separate out the committees, the publication, and
>>> the conference. The committees can look at papers, they can all be
>>> published on arxiv. And people who want can go to the conference.
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>>
>>> Alexander Garcia Castro<alexgarciac@gmail.com>  writes:
>>>>
>>>> the question is simple. both, eswc and iswc are prominent conferences
>>>> because of a serious review process, a well structured set of
>>>> committees working hard at the time of organization... but most of
>>>> all, because we the community have accepted both conferences to be
>>>> important. this will not change. so my point is, are publishers
>>>> contributing with money,  serious money, to the organization of the
>>>> conferences? how are they buying and how are we selling the
>>>> publication rights? If tomorrow there were no springer how much would
>>>> that affect the finances of eswc and iswc? substantially? why not
>>>> enforcing an open publication policy for iswc and eswc? why not
>>>> selling publication rights as a bidding process?
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Rowe, Matthew<m.rowe@lancaster.ac.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> As authors of accepted papers, don't we have the right to disseminate
>>>>> our
>>>>> work as a pre-prints anyway? I just put mine online anyway, and always
>>>>> have
>>>>> done (and will do) for people to download and read.
>>>>>
>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>
>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 10:12, Phillip Lord wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ISWC and ESWC are a particular problem because they are both Springer.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> pulled my paper from publication last year, as they would not do an
>>>>>> open
>>>>>> access option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, with the situation as it stands, I cannot publish any semantic web
>>>>>> research in either of these two conferences.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phil
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alexander Garcia Castro<alexgarciac@gmail.com>  writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> conferences are important on their own. for instance, right now the
>>>>>>> ISWC is an important conference regardless of the publisher of the
>>>>>>> proceedings. if I wanted to get the 2012 proceedings I may have to
>>>>>>> pay
>>>>>>> (http://www.springer.com/computer/ai/book/978-3-642-35172-3). do
>>>>>>> publishers pay the ISWC organizers for the right to publish the
>>>>>>> proceedings? I mean, as things are now the ISWC brings people to
>>>>>>> springer, not the other way around.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Leon Derczynski<leon@dcs.shef.ac.uk>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reliable dissemination.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CEUR-WS, ACL Anthology et al. do a valuable, critical job.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 13 May 2013 17:25, Sarven Capadisli<info@csarven.ca>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If we subscribe to science, free and open access to knowledge,
>>>>>>>>> what's the
>>>>>>>>> purpose of the arrangement between conferences and publishers?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Sarven
>>>>>>>>> http://csarven.ca/#i
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Leon R A Derczynski
>>>>>>>> Research Associate, NLP Group
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Department of Computer Science
>>>>>>>> University of Sheffield
>>>>>>>> Regent Court, 211 Portobello
>>>>>>>> Sheffield S1 4DP, UK
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/~leon/
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>>>>>> Phillip Lord,                           Phone: +44 (0) 191 222 7827
>>>>>> Lecturer in Bioinformatics,             Email:
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>>> School of Computing Science,
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