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Re: Is science on sale this week?

From: Marko Tkalcic <marko.tkalcic@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 14:06:57 +0200
Message-ID: <519228E1.5080607@gmail.com>
To: Alexander Garcia Castro <alexgarciac@gmail.com>
CC: Andrea Splendiani <andrea.splendiani@iscb.org>, Phillip Lord <phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk>, beyond-the-pdf@googlegroups.com, Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca>, Linking Open Data <public-lod@w3.org>, SW-forum <semantic-web@w3.org>
Hi

as far as I know the conference organizers have to pay to springer for 
the proceedings (i think it's around 30 eur per hardcopy or around 10 
eur per e-Version)

marko



On 14.5.2013 13:58, Alexander Garcia Castro wrote:
> not sure if they pay. I know we do pay, and with current prices I
> would expect conferences like ESWC and ISWC should be able to support
> a more open policy. The ISWC2013 proceedings are not free of charge,
> see http://www.springer.com/computer/ai/book/978-3-642-35172-3
>
> this is my issue with the whole business model, we write for free, we
> review for free, and then we pay to consume the content we generate.
> in a time when content is king we are giving it away for free.
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Andrea Splendiani
> <andrea.splendiani@iscb.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Do you actually know that Springer is paying something ?
>> I don't think publishers pay, usually.
>>
>> best,
>> Andrea
>>
>> Il giorno 14/mag/2013, alle ore 10:51, phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) ha scritto:
>>
>>> Dump Springer, and just publish the results on arXiv. If ESWC cannot
>>> organise a conference at 800 Euro a pop, without cash from Springer,
>>> then perhaps they should try getting a cheaper venue.
>>>
>>> Better still, let's separate out the committees, the publication, and
>>> the conference. The committees can look at papers, they can all be
>>> published on arxiv. And people who want can go to the conference.
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>>
>>> Alexander Garcia Castro <alexgarciac@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> the question is simple. both, eswc and iswc are prominent conferences
>>>> because of a serious review process, a well structured set of
>>>> committees working hard at the time of organization... but most of
>>>> all, because we the community have accepted both conferences to be
>>>> important. this will not change. so my point is, are publishers
>>>> contributing with money,  serious money, to the organization of the
>>>> conferences? how are they buying and how are we selling the
>>>> publication rights? If tomorrow there were no springer how much would
>>>> that affect the finances of eswc and iswc? substantially? why not
>>>> enforcing an open publication policy for iswc and eswc? why not
>>>> selling publication rights as a bidding process?
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Rowe, Matthew <m.rowe@lancaster.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>> As authors of accepted papers, don't we have the right to disseminate our
>>>>> work as a pre-prints anyway? I just put mine online anyway, and always have
>>>>> done (and will do) for people to download and read.
>>>>>
>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>
>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 10:12, Phillip Lord wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ISWC and ESWC are a particular problem because they are both Springer. I
>>>>>> pulled my paper from publication last year, as they would not do an open
>>>>>> access option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, with the situation as it stands, I cannot publish any semantic web
>>>>>> research in either of these two conferences.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phil
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alexander Garcia Castro <alexgarciac@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> conferences are important on their own. for instance, right now the
>>>>>>> ISWC is an important conference regardless of the publisher of the
>>>>>>> proceedings. if I wanted to get the 2012 proceedings I may have to pay
>>>>>>> (http://www.springer.com/computer/ai/book/978-3-642-35172-3). do
>>>>>>> publishers pay the ISWC organizers for the right to publish the
>>>>>>> proceedings? I mean, as things are now the ISWC brings people to
>>>>>>> springer, not the other way around.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Leon Derczynski <leon@dcs.shef.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Reliable dissemination.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CEUR-WS, ACL Anthology et al. do a valuable, critical job.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 13 May 2013 17:25, Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If we subscribe to science, free and open access to knowledge, what's the
>>>>>>>>> purpose of the arrangement between conferences and publishers?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Sarven
>>>>>>>>> http://csarven.ca/#i
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Leon R A Derczynski
>>>>>>>> Research Associate, NLP Group
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Department of Computer Science
>>>>>>>> University of Sheffield
>>>>>>>> Regent Court, 211 Portobello
>>>>>>>> Sheffield S1 4DP, UK
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +45 5157 4948
>>>>>>>> http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/~leon/
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>>>
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