- From: Alexander Garcia Castro <alexgarciac@gmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 13:58:04 +0200
- To: Andrea Splendiani <andrea.splendiani@iscb.org>
- Cc: Phillip Lord <phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk>, beyond-the-pdf@googlegroups.com, Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca>, Linking Open Data <public-lod@w3.org>, SW-forum <semantic-web@w3.org>
not sure if they pay. I know we do pay, and with current prices I would expect conferences like ESWC and ISWC should be able to support a more open policy. The ISWC2013 proceedings are not free of charge, see http://www.springer.com/computer/ai/book/978-3-642-35172-3 this is my issue with the whole business model, we write for free, we review for free, and then we pay to consume the content we generate. in a time when content is king we are giving it away for free. On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Andrea Splendiani <andrea.splendiani@iscb.org> wrote: > Hi, > > Do you actually know that Springer is paying something ? > I don't think publishers pay, usually. > > best, > Andrea > > Il giorno 14/mag/2013, alle ore 10:51, phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) ha scritto: > >> >> >> Dump Springer, and just publish the results on arXiv. If ESWC cannot >> organise a conference at 800 Euro a pop, without cash from Springer, >> then perhaps they should try getting a cheaper venue. >> >> Better still, let's separate out the committees, the publication, and >> the conference. The committees can look at papers, they can all be >> published on arxiv. And people who want can go to the conference. >> >> Phil >> >> >> Alexander Garcia Castro <alexgarciac@gmail.com> writes: >>> the question is simple. both, eswc and iswc are prominent conferences >>> because of a serious review process, a well structured set of >>> committees working hard at the time of organization... but most of >>> all, because we the community have accepted both conferences to be >>> important. this will not change. so my point is, are publishers >>> contributing with money, serious money, to the organization of the >>> conferences? how are they buying and how are we selling the >>> publication rights? If tomorrow there were no springer how much would >>> that affect the finances of eswc and iswc? substantially? why not >>> enforcing an open publication policy for iswc and eswc? why not >>> selling publication rights as a bidding process? >>> >>> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Rowe, Matthew <m.rowe@lancaster.ac.uk> wrote: >>>> As authors of accepted papers, don't we have the right to disseminate our >>>> work as a pre-prints anyway? I just put mine online anyway, and always have >>>> done (and will do) for people to download and read. >>>> >>>> Matthew >>>> >>>> On 14 May 2013, at 10:12, Phillip Lord wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> ISWC and ESWC are a particular problem because they are both Springer. I >>>>> pulled my paper from publication last year, as they would not do an open >>>>> access option. >>>>> >>>>> So, with the situation as it stands, I cannot publish any semantic web >>>>> research in either of these two conferences. >>>>> >>>>> Phil >>>>> >>>>> Alexander Garcia Castro <alexgarciac@gmail.com> writes: >>>>> >>>>>> conferences are important on their own. for instance, right now the >>>>>> ISWC is an important conference regardless of the publisher of the >>>>>> proceedings. if I wanted to get the 2012 proceedings I may have to pay >>>>>> (http://www.springer.com/computer/ai/book/978-3-642-35172-3). do >>>>>> publishers pay the ISWC organizers for the right to publish the >>>>>> proceedings? I mean, as things are now the ISWC brings people to >>>>>> springer, not the other way around. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Leon Derczynski <leon@dcs.shef.ac.uk> wrote: >>>>>>> Reliable dissemination. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> CEUR-WS, ACL Anthology et al. do a valuable, critical job. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 13 May 2013 17:25, Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If we subscribe to science, free and open access to knowledge, what's the >>>>>>>> purpose of the arrangement between conferences and publishers? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Sarven >>>>>>>> http://csarven.ca/#i >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Leon R A Derczynski >>>>>>> Research Associate, NLP Group >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Department of Computer Science >>>>>>> University of Sheffield >>>>>>> Regent Court, 211 Portobello >>>>>>> Sheffield S1 4DP, UK >>>>>>> >>>>>>> +45 5157 4948 >>>>>>> http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/~leon/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>>>> "Beyond the PDF" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>>>> email to beyond-the-pdf+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Alexander Garcia >>>>>> http://www.alexandergarcia.name/ >>>>>> http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/75943.html >>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/alexgarciac >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Phillip Lord, Phone: +44 (0) 191 222 7827 >>>>> Lecturer in Bioinformatics, Email: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk >>>>> School of Computing Science, http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/phillip.lord >>>>> Room 914 Claremont Tower, skype: russet_apples >>>>> Newcastle University, twitter: phillord >>>>> NE1 7RU >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Beyond the PDF" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beyond-the-pdf+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >> >> -- >> Phillip Lord, Phone: +44 (0) 191 222 7827 >> Lecturer in Bioinformatics, Email: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk >> School of Computing Science, http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/phillip.lord >> Room 914 Claremont Tower, skype: russet_apples >> Newcastle University, twitter: phillord >> NE1 7RU >> > -- Alexander Garcia http://www.alexandergarcia.name/ http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/75943.html http://www.linkedin.com/in/alexgarciac
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