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Re: Is science on sale this week?

From: Andrea Splendiani <andrea.splendiani@iscb.org>
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 12:47:03 +0100
Cc: Alexander Garcia Castro <alexgarciac@gmail.com>, <beyond-the-pdf@googlegroups.com>, Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca>, Linking Open Data <public-lod@w3.org>, SW-forum <semantic-web@w3.org>
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To: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord)
Hi,

Do you actually know that Springer is paying something ?
I don't think publishers pay, usually.

best,
Andrea

Il giorno 14/mag/2013, alle ore 10:51, phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) ha scritto:

> 
> 
> Dump Springer, and just publish the results on arXiv. If ESWC cannot
> organise a conference at 800 Euro a pop, without cash from Springer,
> then perhaps they should try getting a cheaper venue.
> 
> Better still, let's separate out the committees, the publication, and
> the conference. The committees can look at papers, they can all be
> published on arxiv. And people who want can go to the conference.
> 
> Phil
> 
> 
> Alexander Garcia Castro <alexgarciac@gmail.com> writes:
>> the question is simple. both, eswc and iswc are prominent conferences
>> because of a serious review process, a well structured set of
>> committees working hard at the time of organization... but most of
>> all, because we the community have accepted both conferences to be
>> important. this will not change. so my point is, are publishers
>> contributing with money,  serious money, to the organization of the
>> conferences? how are they buying and how are we selling the
>> publication rights? If tomorrow there were no springer how much would
>> that affect the finances of eswc and iswc? substantially? why not
>> enforcing an open publication policy for iswc and eswc? why not
>> selling publication rights as a bidding process?
>> 
>> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Rowe, Matthew <m.rowe@lancaster.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> As authors of accepted papers, don't we have the right to disseminate our
>>> work as a pre-prints anyway? I just put mine online anyway, and always have
>>> done (and will do) for people to download and read.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> On 14 May 2013, at 10:12, Phillip Lord wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ISWC and ESWC are a particular problem because they are both Springer. I
>>>> pulled my paper from publication last year, as they would not do an open
>>>> access option.
>>>> 
>>>> So, with the situation as it stands, I cannot publish any semantic web
>>>> research in either of these two conferences.
>>>> 
>>>> Phil
>>>> 
>>>> Alexander Garcia Castro <alexgarciac@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> 
>>>>> conferences are important on their own. for instance, right now the
>>>>> ISWC is an important conference regardless of the publisher of the
>>>>> proceedings. if I wanted to get the 2012 proceedings I may have to pay
>>>>> (http://www.springer.com/computer/ai/book/978-3-642-35172-3). do
>>>>> publishers pay the ISWC organizers for the right to publish the
>>>>> proceedings? I mean, as things are now the ISWC brings people to
>>>>> springer, not the other way around.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Leon Derczynski <leon@dcs.shef.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> Reliable dissemination.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> CEUR-WS, ACL Anthology et al. do a valuable, critical job.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 13 May 2013 17:25, Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If we subscribe to science, free and open access to knowledge, what's the
>>>>>>> purpose of the arrangement between conferences and publishers?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Sarven
>>>>>>> http://csarven.ca/#i
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Leon R A Derczynski
>>>>>> Research Associate, NLP Group
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Department of Computer Science
>>>>>> University of Sheffield
>>>>>> Regent Court, 211 Portobello
>>>>>> Sheffield S1 4DP, UK
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> +45 5157 4948
>>>>>> http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/~leon/
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
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>>>> 
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> Phillip Lord,                           Phone: +44 (0) 191 222 7827
> Lecturer in Bioinformatics,             Email: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk
> School of Computing Science,            http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/phillip.lord
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> Newcastle University,                   twitter: phillord
> NE1 7RU                                 
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