Re: The need for RDF in Linked Data

It's number 3 because it's RDF (Turtle) and it's using URIs to describe
things. And links to other data.

Can you make your point more clearly rather than answering my question with
other questions?


On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>wrote:

>  On 6/17/13 1:09 PM, Luca Matteis wrote:
>
> What makes it RDF is that you can take the contents of this URL and stick
> it in any popular RDF parser and it will parse it for you.
>
>  It's still bad quality Linked Data because it's missing mime-types.
> Anyway back to my initial question "How do you produce Linked Data
> without RDF?"
>
>
> To cleanup this experiment, here's a URI/URL that denotes a version of the
> file (note: there where some errors in the initial document e.g.  "." where
> I meant to have ";") on my server:
>
>
> <http://kingsley.idehen.net/DAV/home/kidehen/Public/DropBox/Public/Linked%20Data%20Resources/linked-data-rdf-test.ttl><http://kingsley.idehen.net/DAV/home/kidehen/Public/DropBox/Public/Linked%20Data%20Resources/linked-data-rdf-test.ttl>.
>
> You can also just copy and past the content to your document to yours.
>
> Back to the question and exercise, what's the defining characteristic that
> makes either of our documents  (denoted by their respective URI/URLs) RDF
> documents, specifically? Here are some document type options to select from:
>
> 1. Structured Data
> 2. Structured Data adhering to Linked Data principles
> 3. RDF based Structured Data adhering to Linked Data principles.
>
>
> Note, I am not expecting Media Types to play any role in this experiment.
>
> Kingsley
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>wrote:
>
>>  On 6/17/13 12:51 PM, Luca Matteis wrote:
>>
>> Done: http://codepad.org/7REcSynR/raw.txt
>>
>>  That's still RDF so I don't get your point.
>>
>>
>>  Really? How?
>>
>> curl -I http://codepad.org/7REcSynR/raw.txt
>>
>> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
>> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 16:57:10 GMT
>> Server: Apache
>> Pragma: no-cache
>> Cache-Control: no-cache
>> Content-Disposition: attachment
>> Content-Length: 427
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>>
>> What makes it RDF?
>>
>> Related:
>>
>> 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity–attribute–value_model -- EAV
>> 2. http://bit.ly/YTdz3N - Peter Chen's circa. 1976 dissertation that
>> covers unified views of data (note: a simple example of these concepts that
>> even predate the World Wide Web).
>>
>>  Kingsley
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>wrote:
>>
>>>   On 6/17/13 11:02 AM, Luca Matteis wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Linked Data is also something you can produce, without any knowledge of
>>>> RDF.
>>>
>>>
>>> What do you mean "without any knowledge of RDF"? How do you produce
>>> Linked Data without RDF? Please give us an example before making statements
>>> on behalf of the community.
>>>
>>>  If you recall (earlier today) I presented you with a simple exercise
>>> which would answer the question you've posed above, demonstrably.
>>>
>>> Here's that I posted:
>>>
>>>
>>> Webby Structured Data:
>>>
>>> Simply copy and paste the following to a Web accessible location (URL)
>>> and then share the URL via a response to this mail. If you can't then
>>> simply let me know and I'll do that for you.
>>>
>>> ## Structured Data Representation using Turtle Notation ##
>>>
>>> <>
>>> a <#Document> .
>>> <#mentions> "Linked Data" , "Linked Data", "Semantic Web", "Inference
>>> Reasoning", "Web".
>>> <#comment> "A mailing list post about Linked Data and RDF".
>>> <#seeAlso> <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Linked_data><http://dbpedia.org/resource/Linked_data>,
>>> <http://dbpedia.org/resource/RDF> <http://dbpedia.org/resource/RDF>,
>>> <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Semantic_Web><http://dbpedia.org/resource/Semantic_Web>,
>>> <http://dbpedia.org/resource/World_Wide_Web><http://dbpedia.org/resource/World_Wide_Web>
>>>
>>> ## End ##
>>>
>>>  What is the above to you?
>>>
>>> 1. Webby Structured Data -- constructable using basic knowledge of
>>> Entity Relationship Models e.g. EAV (Entity-Attribute-Value based
>>> structured data representation)
>>> 2. RDF based Structured Data -- i.e., structured data endowed with
>>> machine- and human-comprehensible entity relationship semantics as defined
>>> by RDF (a framework).
>>>
>>> Related:
>>>
>>> 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity–attribute–value_model<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity%96attribute%96value_model>-- EAV
>>> 2. http://bit.ly/YTdz3N - Peter Chen's circa. 1976 dissertation that
>>> covers unified views of data (note: a simple example of these concepts that
>>> even predate the World Wide Web).
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Kingsley Idehen	
>>> Founder & CEO
>>> OpenLink Software
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Kingsley Idehen	
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>> OpenLink Software
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>
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