Re: Licensing advice

Interesting distinction, but I'm not sure I buy it.

Does that mean software licenses don't apply to PROLOG code?

I can actually make R2RML mappings more imperative than PROLOG cuts by 
using control flow features of SQL.

Barry


On 25/07/13 12:04, Víctor Rodríguez Doncel wrote:
> Dear Roberto, all
>
> Well, I have not heard about any case in a trial court about this and 
> the legal texts seem somewhat ambiguous. Also, I have not heard other 
> qualified opinions on this particular regard. So, this can be matter 
> for a friendly discussion.
>
> But I still lean towards *not* considering a mapping (for example the 
> R2RML below) as a computer program.
> The mapping is /declarative/, not /imperative/. They are not 
> /instructions/, as required in the legal text.
>
> *Think of HTML pages*. I dont think they are regarded as software. 
> People don't license them with a BSD license. They use CreativeCommons 
> licenses, intended for general works. You /declare /a table, a 
> computer program will process it. (Yet, a Javascript piece would be 
> made up of /instructions/).
>
> I hope I clarified my point.
> Víctor
>
>
>
> @prefix rr:<http://www.w3.org/ns/r2rml#>.
> @prefix ex:<http://example.com/ns#>.
>
> <#TriplesMap1>
>      rr:logicalTable [ rr:tableName "EMP" ];
>      rr:subjectMap [
>          rr:template"http://data.example.com/employee/{EMPNO}";
>          rr:class ex:Employee;
>      ];
>      rr:predicateObjectMap [
>          rr:predicate ex:name;
>          rr:objectMap [ rr:column "ENAME" ];
>      ].
>
>
> El 25/07/2013 10:32, Roberto García escribió:
>> Dear Víctor, Tom, all,
>>
>> Maybe I've missed something but if what is going to be licensed are 
>> R2RML mappings, for me this is code.
>>
>> As Víctor quoted, acomputer program is (WIPO): "a set of 
>> instructions, which controls the operations of a computer in order to 
>> enable it to perform a specific task".
>>
>> This is just what happens with R2RML mappings, they are based on a 
>> metalanguage that is read by a computer using a R2RML interpreter 
>> (implemented using another programming language but just similar to a 
>> compiler) that at last executes a set of instructions that read data 
>> from a source and generate a data stream in the output...
>>
>> My 2c,
>>
>>
>> Roberto
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Víctor Rodríguez Doncel 
>> <vrodriguez@fi.upm.es <mailto:vrodriguez@fi.upm.es>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>     Well, ODC data licenses include *both* copyrights and database
>>     rights.
>>     So you dont give up your claims for having made a creative work...
>>
>>     Víctor
>>
>>     El 24/07/2013 10:38, Tom Heath escribió:
>>>     Just seen this thread, apols for the slow response Barry...
>>>
>>>     Of course IANAL and all that, but I disagree with Victor's conclusion.
>>>
>>>     I would argue that the individual mappings are creative works (as you
>>>     say), and therefore a CC license would apply (better still, why not
>>>     apply a public domain waiver so they're totally open?).
>>>
>>>     The collection as a whole would probably qualify as a database, at
>>>     which point Victor's points about a DB license would be relevant.
>>>
>>>     As others have mentioned, the data created by the execution of these
>>>     mappings is another issue altogether, which you seem to have covered.
>>>
>>>     My 2p worth -- hope it helps :)
>>>
>>>     Tom.
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 12 July 2013 21:38, Víctor Rodríguez Doncel<vrodriguez@fi.upm.es>  <mailto:vrodriguez@fi.upm.es>  wrote:
>>>>     Barry,
>>>>
>>>>     My opinion is the following:
>>>>
>>>>     1. Code license NO. A computer program is (WIPO): "a set of instructions,
>>>>     which controls the operations of a computer in order to enable it to perform
>>>>     a specific task"
>>>>     2. Intellectual Property. I'd say no in this case. Some databases are
>>>>     protected by IP law. They are if they can assumed to be "collections of
>>>>     literary or artistic works such as encyclopaedias and anthologies which, by
>>>>     reason of the selection and arrangement of their contents, constitute
>>>>     intellectual creations, are to be protected as such, without prejudice to
>>>>     the copyright in each of the works forming part of such collections".
>>>>     So, if you have made your mapping automatically, they are NOT under the
>>>>     umbrella of IP laws.
>>>>     3. Database law. YES (where it applies). Relaxing the requirements, a sui
>>>>     generis rights is defined in Europe to protect your database if you have
>>>>     made an investment (in time or money) when making the database. Rights
>>>>     (extraction and reutilization) are kept for 15 years and are not recognized
>>>>     in USA and many other countries.
>>>>
>>>>     --> Conclusion. Instead of using CreativeCommon licenses (excepting CC0
>>>>     which is ok), use Data Licenses (for example ODC), which include in their
>>>>     text a reference to the European database law.
>>>>
>>>>     Regards,
>>>>     Víctor
>>>>
>>>>     El 12/07/2013 21:30, Barry Norton escribió:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Incidentally, to clarify, I meant to ask a more fundamental question about
>>>>     mappings: are these creative works, deserving themselves of a CC license, or
>>>>     executable code, deserving of a code license?
>>>>
>>>>     Whichever way, I'd like to make them as encumbered as possible.
>>>>
>>>>     Barry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On 12/07/13 13:20, Barry Norton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     I'd like to publicly release R2RML mappings for the MusicBrainz dataset.
>>>>     DBpedia has shown interest in including the subset that can be used to
>>>>     create a linkset.
>>>>
>>>>     Any idea what (kind of) licence could/should apply? (To be clear, to the
>>>>     mappings, as opposed to the dataset)
>>>>
>>>>     I'd also like to attach, since R2RML is RDF, a licence and attribution on a
>>>>     per rr:TriplesMap basis. (The mappings are hosted on github and
>>>>     contributions will be accepted as I'm never going to get through all of the
>>>>     MB Advanced Relationships, a moving target, myself and I'm being a
>>>>     bottleneck.)
>>>>
>>>>     The question's also been raised on whether a given licence can in turn
>>>>     impose conditions on the triples that are created using it (as derivative
>>>>     works)? Does that sound feasible?
>>>>
>>>>     Any input appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>     Barry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     --
>>>>     Víctor Rodríguez-Doncel
>>>>     D3205 - Ontology Engineering Group (OEG)
>>>>     Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial
>>>>     Facultad de Informática
>>>>     Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
>>>>
>>>>     Campus de Montegancedo s/n
>>>>     Boadilla del Monte-28660 Madrid, Spain
>>>>     Tel. (+34) 91336 3672
>>>>     Skype: vroddon3
>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>     Víctor Rodríguez-Doncel
>>     D3205 - Ontology Engineering Group (OEG)
>>     Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial
>>     Facultad de Informática
>>     Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
>>
>>     Campus de Montegancedo s/n
>>     Boadilla del Monte-28660 Madrid, Spain
>>     Tel. (+34) 91336 3672
>>     Skype: vroddon3
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Víctor Rodríguez-Doncel
> D3205 - Ontology Engineering Group (OEG)
> Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial
> Facultad de Informática
> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
>
> Campus de Montegancedo s/n
> Boadilla del Monte-28660 Madrid, Spain
> Tel. (+34) 91336 3672
> Skype: vroddon3

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