Re: Licensing advice

Oh! I didn't know... but if you can insert a "SQL" expression then R2RML 
is certainly imperative.
Now I am very curious about the "Prolog" question, too, and I would like 
to hear more opinions.

To foster the discussion, I have posted about "RDF Mappings and 
Licenses" here: http://licensius.com/blog/MappingsAndLicenses

Víctor

El 25/07/2013 13:13, Barry Norton escribió:
>
> Interesting distinction, but I'm not sure I buy it.
>
> Does that mean software licenses don't apply to PROLOG code?
>
> I can actually make R2RML mappings more imperative than PROLOG cuts by 
> using control flow features of SQL.
>
> Barry
>
>
> On 25/07/13 12:04, Víctor Rodríguez Doncel wrote:
>> Dear Roberto, all
>>
>> Well, I have not heard about any case in a trial court about this and 
>> the legal texts seem somewhat ambiguous. Also, I have not heard other 
>> qualified opinions on this particular regard. So, this can be matter 
>> for a friendly discussion.
>>
>> But I still lean towards *not* considering a mapping (for example the 
>> R2RML below) as a computer program.
>> The mapping is /declarative/, not /imperative/. They are not 
>> /instructions/, as required in the legal text.
>>
>> *Think of HTML pages*. I dont think they are regarded as software. 
>> People don't license them with a BSD license. They use 
>> CreativeCommons licenses, intended for general works. You /declare /a 
>> table, a computer program will process it. (Yet, a Javascript piece 
>> would be made up of /instructions/).
>>
>> I hope I clarified my point.
>> Víctor
>>
>>
>>
>> @prefix rr:<http://www.w3.org/ns/r2rml#>.
>> @prefix ex:<http://example.com/ns#>.
>>
>> <#TriplesMap1>
>>      rr:logicalTable [ rr:tableName "EMP" ];
>>      rr:subjectMap [
>>          rr:template"http://data.example.com/employee/{EMPNO}";
>>          rr:class ex:Employee;
>>      ];
>>      rr:predicateObjectMap [
>>          rr:predicate ex:name;
>>          rr:objectMap [ rr:column "ENAME" ];
>>      ].
>>
>>
>> El 25/07/2013 10:32, Roberto García escribió:
>>> Dear Víctor, Tom, all,
>>>
>>> Maybe I've missed something but if what is going to be licensed are 
>>> R2RML mappings, for me this is code.
>>>
>>> As Víctor quoted, acomputer program is (WIPO): "a set of 
>>> instructions, which controls the operations of a computer in order 
>>> to enable it to perform a specific task".
>>>
>>> This is just what happens with R2RML mappings, they are based on a 
>>> metalanguage that is read by a computer using a R2RML interpreter 
>>> (implemented using another programming language but just similar to 
>>> a compiler) that at last executes a set of instructions that read 
>>> data from a source and generate a data stream in the output...
>>>
>>> My 2c,
>>>
>>>
>>> Roberto
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Víctor Rodríguez Doncel 
>>> <vrodriguez@fi.upm.es <mailto:vrodriguez@fi.upm.es>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>     Well, ODC data licenses include *both* copyrights and database
>>>     rights.
>>>     So you dont give up your claims for having made a creative work...
>>>
>>>     Víctor
>>>
>>>     El 24/07/2013 10:38, Tom Heath escribió:
>>>>     Just seen this thread, apols for the slow response Barry...
>>>>
>>>>     Of course IANAL and all that, but I disagree with Victor's conclusion.
>>>>
>>>>     I would argue that the individual mappings are creative works (as you
>>>>     say), and therefore a CC license would apply (better still, why not
>>>>     apply a public domain waiver so they're totally open?).
>>>>
>>>>     The collection as a whole would probably qualify as a database, at
>>>>     which point Victor's points about a DB license would be relevant.
>>>>
>>>>     As others have mentioned, the data created by the execution of these
>>>>     mappings is another issue altogether, which you seem to have covered.
>>>>
>>>>     My 2p worth -- hope it helps :)
>>>>
>>>>     Tom.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On 12 July 2013 21:38, Víctor Rodríguez Doncel<vrodriguez@fi.upm.es>  <mailto:vrodriguez@fi.upm.es>  wrote:
>>>>>     Barry,
>>>>>
>>>>>     My opinion is the following:
>>>>>
>>>>>     1. Code license NO. A computer program is (WIPO): "a set of instructions,
>>>>>     which controls the operations of a computer in order to enable it to perform
>>>>>     a specific task"
>>>>>     2. Intellectual Property. I'd say no in this case. Some databases are
>>>>>     protected by IP law. They are if they can assumed to be "collections of
>>>>>     literary or artistic works such as encyclopaedias and anthologies which, by
>>>>>     reason of the selection and arrangement of their contents, constitute
>>>>>     intellectual creations, are to be protected as such, without prejudice to
>>>>>     the copyright in each of the works forming part of such collections".
>>>>>     So, if you have made your mapping automatically, they are NOT under the
>>>>>     umbrella of IP laws.
>>>>>     3. Database law. YES (where it applies). Relaxing the requirements, a sui
>>>>>     generis rights is defined in Europe to protect your database if you have
>>>>>     made an investment (in time or money) when making the database. Rights
>>>>>     (extraction and reutilization) are kept for 15 years and are not recognized
>>>>>     in USA and many other countries.
>>>>>
>>>>>     --> Conclusion. Instead of using CreativeCommon licenses (excepting CC0
>>>>>     which is ok), use Data Licenses (for example ODC), which include in their
>>>>>     text a reference to the European database law.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Regards,
>>>>>     Víctor
>>>>>
>>>>>     El 12/07/2013 21:30, Barry Norton escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     Incidentally, to clarify, I meant to ask a more fundamental question about
>>>>>     mappings: are these creative works, deserving themselves of a CC license, or
>>>>>     executable code, deserving of a code license?
>>>>>
>>>>>     Whichever way, I'd like to make them as encumbered as possible.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Barry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     On 12/07/13 13:20, Barry Norton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     I'd like to publicly release R2RML mappings for the MusicBrainz dataset.
>>>>>     DBpedia has shown interest in including the subset that can be used to
>>>>>     create a linkset.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Any idea what (kind of) licence could/should apply? (To be clear, to the
>>>>>     mappings, as opposed to the dataset)
>>>>>
>>>>>     I'd also like to attach, since R2RML is RDF, a licence and attribution on a
>>>>>     per rr:TriplesMap basis. (The mappings are hosted on github and
>>>>>     contributions will be accepted as I'm never going to get through all of the
>>>>>     MB Advanced Relationships, a moving target, myself and I'm being a
>>>>>     bottleneck.)
>>>>>
>>>>>     The question's also been raised on whether a given licence can in turn
>>>>>     impose conditions on the triples that are created using it (as derivative
>>>>>     works)? Does that sound feasible?
>>>>>
>>>>>     Any input appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Barry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     --
>>>>>     Víctor Rodríguez-Doncel
>>>>>     D3205 - Ontology Engineering Group (OEG)
>>>>>     Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial
>>>>>     Facultad de Informática
>>>>>     Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
>>>>>
>>>>>     Campus de Montegancedo s/n
>>>>>     Boadilla del Monte-28660 Madrid, Spain
>>>>>     Tel. (+34) 91336 3672
>>>>>     Skype: vroddon3
>>>
>>>
>>>     -- 
>>>     Víctor Rodríguez-Doncel
>>>     D3205 - Ontology Engineering Group (OEG)
>>>     Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial
>>>     Facultad de Informática
>>>     Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
>>>
>>>     Campus de Montegancedo s/n
>>>     Boadilla del Monte-28660 Madrid, Spain
>>>     Tel. (+34) 91336 3672
>>>     Skype: vroddon3
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Víctor Rodríguez-Doncel
>> D3205 - Ontology Engineering Group (OEG)
>> Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial
>> Facultad de Informática
>> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
>>
>> Campus de Montegancedo s/n
>> Boadilla del Monte-28660 Madrid, Spain
>> Tel. (+34) 91336 3672
>> Skype: vroddon3
>


-- 
Víctor Rodríguez-Doncel
D3205 - Ontology Engineering Group (OEG)
Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial
Facultad de Informática
Universidad Politécnica de Madrid

Campus de Montegancedo s/n
Boadilla del Monte-28660 Madrid, Spain
Tel. (+34) 91336 3672
Skype: vroddon3

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