Re: Licensing advice

Dear Roberto, all

Well, I have not heard about any case in a trial court about this and 
the legal texts seem somewhat ambiguous. Also, I have not heard other 
qualified opinions on this particular regard. So, this can be matter for 
a friendly discussion.

But I still lean towards *not* considering a mapping (for example the 
R2RML below) as a computer program.
The mapping is /declarative/, not /imperative/. They are not 
/instructions/, as required in the legal text.

*Think of HTML pages*. I dont think they are regarded as software. 
People don't license them with a BSD license. They use CreativeCommons 
licenses, intended for general works. You /declare /a table, a computer 
program will process it. (Yet, a Javascript piece would be made up of 
/instructions/).

I hope I clarified my point.
Víctor



@prefix rr: <http://www.w3.org/ns/r2rml#>.
@prefix ex: <http://example.com/ns#>.

<#TriplesMap1>
     rr:logicalTable [ rr:tableName "EMP" ];
     rr:subjectMap [
         rr:template "http://data.example.com/employee/{EMPNO}";
         rr:class ex:Employee;
     ];
     rr:predicateObjectMap [
         rr:predicate ex:name;
         rr:objectMap [ rr:column "ENAME" ];
     ].



El 25/07/2013 10:32, Roberto García escribió:
> Dear Víctor, Tom, all,
>
> Maybe I've missed something but if what is going to be licensed are 
> R2RML mappings, for me this is code.
>
> As Víctor quoted, acomputer program is (WIPO): "a set of 
> instructions, which controls the operations of a computer in order to 
> enable it to perform a specific task".
>
> This is just what happens with R2RML mappings, they are based on a 
> metalanguage that is read by a computer using a R2RML interpreter 
> (implemented using another programming language but just similar to a 
> compiler) that at last executes a set of instructions that read data 
> from a source and generate a data stream in the output...
>
> My 2c,
>
>
> Roberto
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Víctor Rodríguez Doncel 
> <vrodriguez@fi.upm.es <mailto:vrodriguez@fi.upm.es>> wrote:
>
>
>     Well, ODC data licenses include *both* copyrights and database rights.
>     So you dont give up your claims for having made a creative work...
>
>     Víctor
>
>     El 24/07/2013 10:38, Tom Heath escribió:
>>     Just seen this thread, apols for the slow response Barry...
>>
>>     Of course IANAL and all that, but I disagree with Victor's conclusion.
>>
>>     I would argue that the individual mappings are creative works (as you
>>     say), and therefore a CC license would apply (better still, why not
>>     apply a public domain waiver so they're totally open?).
>>
>>     The collection as a whole would probably qualify as a database, at
>>     which point Victor's points about a DB license would be relevant.
>>
>>     As others have mentioned, the data created by the execution of these
>>     mappings is another issue altogether, which you seem to have covered.
>>
>>     My 2p worth -- hope it helps :)
>>
>>     Tom.
>>
>>
>>     On 12 July 2013 21:38, Víctor Rodríguez Doncel<vrodriguez@fi.upm.es>  <mailto:vrodriguez@fi.upm.es>  wrote:
>>>     Barry,
>>>
>>>     My opinion is the following:
>>>
>>>     1. Code license NO. A computer program is (WIPO): "a set of instructions,
>>>     which controls the operations of a computer in order to enable it to perform
>>>     a specific task"
>>>     2. Intellectual Property. I'd say no in this case. Some databases are
>>>     protected by IP law. They are if they can assumed to be "collections of
>>>     literary or artistic works such as encyclopaedias and anthologies which, by
>>>     reason of the selection and arrangement of their contents, constitute
>>>     intellectual creations, are to be protected as such, without prejudice to
>>>     the copyright in each of the works forming part of such collections".
>>>     So, if you have made your mapping automatically, they are NOT under the
>>>     umbrella of IP laws.
>>>     3. Database law. YES (where it applies). Relaxing the requirements, a sui
>>>     generis rights is defined in Europe to protect your database if you have
>>>     made an investment (in time or money) when making the database. Rights
>>>     (extraction and reutilization) are kept for 15 years and are not recognized
>>>     in USA and many other countries.
>>>
>>>     --> Conclusion. Instead of using CreativeCommon licenses (excepting CC0
>>>     which is ok), use Data Licenses (for example ODC), which include in their
>>>     text a reference to the European database law.
>>>
>>>     Regards,
>>>     Víctor
>>>
>>>     El 12/07/2013 21:30, Barry Norton escribió:
>>>
>>>
>>>     Incidentally, to clarify, I meant to ask a more fundamental question about
>>>     mappings: are these creative works, deserving themselves of a CC license, or
>>>     executable code, deserving of a code license?
>>>
>>>     Whichever way, I'd like to make them as encumbered as possible.
>>>
>>>     Barry
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 12/07/13 13:20, Barry Norton wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>     I'd like to publicly release R2RML mappings for the MusicBrainz dataset.
>>>     DBpedia has shown interest in including the subset that can be used to
>>>     create a linkset.
>>>
>>>     Any idea what (kind of) licence could/should apply? (To be clear, to the
>>>     mappings, as opposed to the dataset)
>>>
>>>     I'd also like to attach, since R2RML is RDF, a licence and attribution on a
>>>     per rr:TriplesMap basis. (The mappings are hosted on github and
>>>     contributions will be accepted as I'm never going to get through all of the
>>>     MB Advanced Relationships, a moving target, myself and I'm being a
>>>     bottleneck.)
>>>
>>>     The question's also been raised on whether a given licence can in turn
>>>     impose conditions on the triples that are created using it (as derivative
>>>     works)? Does that sound feasible?
>>>
>>>     Any input appreciated.
>>>
>>>     Barry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     --
>>>     Víctor Rodríguez-Doncel
>>>     D3205 - Ontology Engineering Group (OEG)
>>>     Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial
>>>     Facultad de Informática
>>>     Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
>>>
>>>     Campus de Montegancedo s/n
>>>     Boadilla del Monte-28660 Madrid, Spain
>>>     Tel. (+34) 91336 3672
>>>     Skype: vroddon3
>
>
>     -- 
>     Víctor Rodríguez-Doncel
>     D3205 - Ontology Engineering Group (OEG)
>     Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial
>     Facultad de Informática
>     Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
>
>     Campus de Montegancedo s/n
>     Boadilla del Monte-28660 Madrid, Spain
>     Tel. (+34) 91336 3672
>     Skype: vroddon3
>
>


-- 
Víctor Rodríguez-Doncel
D3205 - Ontology Engineering Group (OEG)
Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial
Facultad de Informática
Universidad Politécnica de Madrid

Campus de Montegancedo s/n
Boadilla del Monte-28660 Madrid, Spain
Tel. (+34) 91336 3672
Skype: vroddon3