- From: Nathan <nathan@webr3.org>
- Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 15:54:37 +0000
- To: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
- CC: Ian Davis <me@iandavis.com>, Pete Johnston <Pete.Johnston@eduserv.org.uk>, Linked Data community <public-lod@w3.org>
Kingsley Idehen wrote: > On 11/9/10 6:57 AM, Ian Davis wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Nathan<nathan@webr3.org> wrote: >>> Pete Johnston wrote: >>>> "This document mentions the following class" >>> It's all very simple really, when you remove all the conflated terms. it's a description. >> I am not conflating terms and nor is my example, but I think you are >> (see below) >> >>> What is this: >>> >>> <?xml version="1.0"?> >>> <rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#" >>> xmlns:foaf="http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/" >>> xmlns:rdfs="http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#" >>> xmlns:wdrs="http://www.w3.org/2007/05/powder-s#" >>> xmlns:dbp="http://dbpedia.org/resource/" >>> > >>> >>> <dbp:Toucan rdf:about="http://iandavis.com/2010/303/toucan"> >>> <rdfs:label>A Toucan</rdfs:label> >>> <foaf:depiction >>> rdf:resource="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/Pteroglossus-torquatus-001.jpg/250px-Pteroglossus-torquatus-001.jpg" >>> >>> /> >>> <rdfs:comment>This resource is an individual toucan that happens >>> to live >>> in southern mexico.</rdfs:comment> >>> <wdrs:describedby >>> rdf:resource="http://iandavis.com/2010/303/toucan.rdf"/> >>> </dbp:Toucan> >>> >>> <foaf:Document rdf:about="http://iandavis.com/2010/303/toucan.rdf"> >>> <rdfs:label>A Description of a Toucan</rdfs:label> >>> <rdfs:comment>This document is a description of the toucan >>> resource.</rdfs:comment> >>> </foaf:Document> >>> >>> </rdf:RDF> >>> >>> <http://iandavis.com/2010/303/toucan> is simply another name for >>> whatever >>> the above is. >> Nope. It's not at all. That text you include is the entity sent when >> you issue a GET to the URI. Entity bodies aren't usually named on the >> web. It's also a representation of >> http://iandavis.com/2010/303/toucan.rdf >> >> You are conflating the resource with the content of an HTTP message >> sent to your computer. >> >> You could interpret the tabulator property as meaning "the entity >> returned when you perform a GET on the URI contains the following >> class" >> >> >>> Hints: >>> - it's not a resource >> It has a URI http://iandavis.com/2010/303/toucan.rdf, anything >> identified by a URI is a resource. > > Yes, in "Resource Conflation" lingo. > > No, in reality. > > A URI is an Identifier. Remember it stands for: Uniform Resource > Identifier. It should actually be: Universal Object Identifier or > Universal Entity Identifier or Uniform Object Identifier or Uniform > Entity Identifier. > > URIs Identify "Entities" or "Things". They can identify anything we can > imagine. > > A Resource is a kind of "Thing" that has physical manifestation in a > specific realm. Yes, we are "Resources", "Documents", "Widgets", but not > in the Web Realm. > > You are conflating because Web != Real World. Thus, saying everything is > a "Resource", when the rest of the world knows that everything is an > "Entity" or "Thing" or "Object" is conflation that leads to utter > incomprehension. > > How do you think Object based systems work? How do you think Object > Oriented Database work? How do you think Object Relational Databases > work? How do you think Relational Databases work? How do computers > work? Is an Address the only way we use a Pointer? Do you seriously > think that the ubiquity of an HTTP network, where physical resources > represent Documents (e.g. HTML, RDF, XML etc..), warrants such overreach > and disregard for the past re. computer technology continuum? > > "Resource" conflation days are numbered. Its usage and acceptence is > inherently inversely related to Linked Data concept comprehension. > > Remember my statement above. Same applies to RDF = Linked Data, conflation. > > >>> - it's not a document >> I think it is > > It cannot be! > > It resolves to a Document. > > Without Documents how can one perceive anything across any medium? >>> - it's not an rdf document >> I think it is > > It resolves to a Document Type where the Content is expressed in on of > the RDF markup syntaxes. > >> >>> - it's not a toucan >> Agree. That text is not a toucan. >> >> > Yes, but for a different reason. The Toucan is the Referent of the URI. > This is how its always been, if it wasn't you wouldn't be reading this > mail via a computer system that uses pointers to create references that > enables us walk data structures, programmatically. > > > Kingsley >> >>> Best, >>> >>> Nathan >>> >> Ian >> >> > >
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