Re: [bidi] Re: BIDI?

I agree with Mati that seeing "com.google.docs//:http" instead of "
http://docs.google.com" in an RTL context is no good, and I agree with
Mohamed that the best results would be to set the IRI's base level according
to direction of the characters used in the domain. One possibility, would be
to base it on the top-level domain. Another would be whether any part of the
domain is RTL.

Re the terminating characters, I am rather concerned that > is not among
them. Angle brackets are a traditional way of bracketing URLs in plain text.

Aharon

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Mohamed Mohie <MOHIEM@eg.ibm.com> wrote:

> Hello Mati,
> To overcome the problem you highlighted below I have a suggestion to be
> added for the URL design which is to set the embedding level according to
> the directionality of the  domain name.
> 1- If the domain name "MY.OWN.DOMAIN" is mostly Latin set the embedding
> level to even.
> 2- If the domain name "MY.OWN.DOMAIN" is mostly Arabic or Hebrew set the
> embedding level to odd.
>
> Thanks And Best regards,
> Mohamed Mohie , PMP®
> ________________________________________________
> GCoC BIDI ,
> Advisory Software Engineer, Project Manager, M.Sc.
> Cairo Technology Development Center (CTDC)
> IBM Egypt
> email : mohiem@eg.ibm.com
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> From:       Matitiahu Allouche <matial@il.ibm.com>
> To:         Mark Davis ☕ <mark@macchiato.com>
> Cc:         bidi@unicode.org, bidi-bounce@unicode.org, "public-iri@w3.org"
>            <public-iri@w3.org>, Shawn Steele <Shawn.Steele@microsoft.com>
> Date:       27/04/2011 10:38 ص
> Subject:    [bidi] Re: BIDI?
> Sent by:    bidi-bounce@unicode.org
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>   Hello, Mark!
>
> I am glad to see somebody daring to tackle this issue.
>
> You wrote: <quote>
> If a bidiIri is recognized, then it is handled by the UBA as if each
> separator is surrounded by:
>      LRM (if the embedding level is even) or
>      RLM (if the embedding level is odd)
> <end of quote>
>
> This design has the following consequences, which IMHO are not optimal:
> a) The same URL (IRI) will be displayed differently according to the
> embedding level. This is confusing.
> b) Pure Latin-character URLs will be displayed in a new and strange way
> when the embedding level is odd. For instance, "htttp://docs.google.com"
> will be displayed as "com.google.docs//:http".
>
> Consequently, I second Slim Amamou's suggestion to "have a
> predefined/enforced directionality in the specs for each scheme? (ex. LTR
> for URLs)".
> It is true that pure or mostly Hebrew or Arabic URLs will be displayed in a
> way which may seem strange. For instance, "http://MY.OWN.DOMAIN.com"
> (where
> upper case letters represent RTL letters) will be displayed as "
> http://YM.NWO.NIAMOD.com", but
> 1. The scheme and the TLD currently are pure LTR, and I guess that this is
> not going to change soon, so the display of mixed LTR/RTL URLs will be
> strange anyway.
> 2. The use of domain names with RTL labels is still scarce, there is no
> common usage to overcome, so the public will get accustomed to the
> "strange" display right from the beginning.
>
>
> Shalom (Regards),  Mati
>          Bidi Architect
>          Globalization Center Of Competency - Bidirectional Scripts
>          IBM Israel
>          Fax: +972 2 5870333    Mobile: +972 52 2554160
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> From:        Mark Davis ☕ <mark@macchiato.com>
> To:        Shawn Steele <Shawn.Steele@microsoft.com>
> Cc:        "public-iri@w3.org" <public-iri@w3.org>, bidi@unicode.org
> Date:        27/04/2011 02:24
> Subject:        [bidi] Re: BIDI?
> Sent by:        bidi-bounce@unicode.org
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>
> Here are some rough thoughts on how we could handle bidi IRIs.
>
> http://goo.gl/QwSoo
>
> Feedback is welcome.
>
> Mark
>
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 23:20, Shawn Steele <Shawn.Steele@microsoft.com>
> wrote:
> I'm wondering what the current thinking around BIDI IRIs is?  A few things
> in draft-ietf-iri-3987bis-05 jump out at me.
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> -Shawn
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> http://blogs.msdn.com/shawnste
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