Re: [bidi] Re: BIDI?

My apologies; you'd pointed that out, it was an oversight on my part.

Mark

*— Il meglio è l’inimico del bene —*


On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 05:20, Aharon (Vladimir) Lanin <aharon@google.com>wrote:

> I agree with Mati that seeing "com.google.docs//:http" instead of "
> http://docs.google.com" in an RTL context is no good, and I agree with
> Mohamed that the best results would be to set the IRI's base level according
> to direction of the characters used in the domain. One possibility, would be
> to base it on the top-level domain. Another would be whether any part of the
> domain is RTL.
>
> Re the terminating characters, I am rather concerned that > is not among
> them. Angle brackets are a traditional way of bracketing URLs in plain text.
>
> Aharon
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Mohamed Mohie <MOHIEM@eg.ibm.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Mati,
>> To overcome the problem you highlighted below I have a suggestion to be
>> added for the URL design which is to set the embedding level according to
>> the directionality of the  domain name.
>> 1- If the domain name "MY.OWN.DOMAIN" is mostly Latin set the embedding
>> level to even.
>> 2- If the domain name "MY.OWN.DOMAIN" is mostly Arabic or Hebrew set the
>> embedding level to odd.
>>
>> Thanks And Best regards,
>> Mohamed Mohie , PMP®
>> ________________________________________________
>> GCoC BIDI ,
>> Advisory Software Engineer, Project Manager, M.Sc.
>> Cairo Technology Development Center (CTDC)
>> IBM Egypt
>> email : mohiem@eg.ibm.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:       Matitiahu Allouche <matial@il.ibm.com>
>> To:         Mark Davis ☕ <mark@macchiato.com>
>> Cc:         bidi@unicode.org, bidi-bounce@unicode.org, "public-iri@w3.org
>> "
>>            <public-iri@w3.org>, Shawn Steele <Shawn.Steele@microsoft.com>
>> Date:       27/04/2011 10:38 ص
>> Subject:    [bidi] Re: BIDI?
>> Sent by:    bidi-bounce@unicode.org
>>
>>
>>
>>   Hello, Mark!
>>
>> I am glad to see somebody daring to tackle this issue.
>>
>> You wrote: <quote>
>> If a bidiIri is recognized, then it is handled by the UBA as if each
>> separator is surrounded by:
>>      LRM (if the embedding level is even) or
>>      RLM (if the embedding level is odd)
>> <end of quote>
>>
>> This design has the following consequences, which IMHO are not optimal:
>> a) The same URL (IRI) will be displayed differently according to the
>> embedding level. This is confusing.
>> b) Pure Latin-character URLs will be displayed in a new and strange way
>> when the embedding level is odd. For instance, "htttp://docs.google.com"
>> will be displayed as "com.google.docs//:http".
>>
>> Consequently, I second Slim Amamou's suggestion to "have a
>> predefined/enforced directionality in the specs for each scheme? (ex. LTR
>> for URLs)".
>> It is true that pure or mostly Hebrew or Arabic URLs will be displayed in
>> a
>> way which may seem strange. For instance, "http://MY.OWN.DOMAIN.com"
>> (where
>> upper case letters represent RTL letters) will be displayed as "
>> http://YM.NWO.NIAMOD.com", but
>> 1. The scheme and the TLD currently are pure LTR, and I guess that this is
>> not going to change soon, so the display of mixed LTR/RTL URLs will be
>> strange anyway.
>> 2. The use of domain names with RTL labels is still scarce, there is no
>> common usage to overcome, so the public will get accustomed to the
>> "strange" display right from the beginning.
>>
>>
>> Shalom (Regards),  Mati
>>          Bidi Architect
>>          Globalization Center Of Competency - Bidirectional Scripts
>>          IBM Israel
>>          Fax: +972 2 5870333    Mobile: +972 52 2554160
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:        Mark Davis ☕ <mark@macchiato.com>
>> To:        Shawn Steele <Shawn.Steele@microsoft.com>
>> Cc:        "public-iri@w3.org" <public-iri@w3.org>, bidi@unicode.org
>> Date:        27/04/2011 02:24
>> Subject:        [bidi] Re: BIDI?
>> Sent by:        bidi-bounce@unicode.org
>>
>>
>>
>> Here are some rough thoughts on how we could handle bidi IRIs.
>>
>> http://goo.gl/QwSoo
>>
>> Feedback is welcome.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 23:20, Shawn Steele <Shawn.Steele@microsoft.com>
>> wrote:
>> I'm wondering what the current thinking around BIDI IRIs is?  A few things
>> in draft-ietf-iri-3987bis-05 jump out at me.
>>
>>
>> -Shawn
>>
>>
>>   
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>> http://blogs.msdn.com/shawnste
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