FW: U+1885 / U+1886 changed from Letter to Mark

Hi Andrew,

Could I ask your thoughts on the Unicode write-up for the two Baludas U+1885/U+1886.

Here is the current description of the U+18A9 Dagalga described as a Diacritical Mark (I think we can delete the phrase "this is not a letter but a diacritical mark" as it is redundant with the heading)




Here is the current description of the two Baludas

What do you think of the idea of giving the 1885/1886 a similar heading to the Dagalga such as "Diacritical mark for Sanskrit and Tibetan"? Then we could also change the glyph image such that there is a perforated circle with the baluda to the right (considering that the dagalga is to the left of the perforated circle). That would make it very clear to font developers how the mark is to be laid out.

Greg


-----Original Message-----
From: Michel Suignard [mailto:michel@suignard.com]
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2015 4:53 AM
To: ishida@w3.org; Greg Eck <greck@postone.net>; public-i18n-mongolian@w3.org
Subject: RE: U+1885 / U+1886 changed from Letter to Mark

I would not do ruby/furigana for Mongolian, this is not a complication we need here.
BTW, it would be great to have some proposal for these changes presented at the UTC end of January. I have already implemented a version of DS01 in the CD5.2 10646 which is the Unicode 9.0 backbone for Mongolian but will obviously update accordingly to the decision/consensus of this group. If we move category from letter to mark and some of these are combining marks we also need to show a dotted circle with them, that is an easy change from a chart production point of view.

You can already check the current charts including Mongolian in http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2015/15339-n4705.pdf

Michel

-----Original Message-----
From: ishida@w3.org<mailto:ishida@w3.org> [mailto:ishida@w3.org]
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 1:52 AM
To: Greg Eck <greck@postone.net<mailto:greck@postone.net>>; public-i18n-mongolian@w3.org<mailto:public-i18n-mongolian@w3.org>
Subject: Re: U+1885 / U+1886 changed from Letter to Mark

On 24/12/2015 09:49, ishida@w3.org<mailto:ishida@w3.org> wrote:
> On 23/12/2015 15:05, Greg Eck wrote:
>> Richard,
>> What do you mean by a ruby - in your comment below?
>
> 'ruby' is an interlinear or intercharacter (in Trad Chinese)
> annotation commonly used in Japanese and Chinese to provide phonetic
> glosses for han characters that the user is not expected to know.  It
> can also be used for other more semantic purposes.
>
> see http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-ruby for examples

it may be referred to in japanese as furigana (although actually furigana is only the type of annotation that uses kana annotations – for example, you can also find furikanji and roman annotations).

ri