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RE: Overide #2 (NA and GA)

From: Greg Eck <greck@postone.net>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 12:43:21 +0000
To: Richard Wordingham <richard.wordingham@ntlworld.com>, "public-i18n-mongolian@w3.org" <public-i18n-mongolian@w3.org>
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Sorry, I am under the pile at work again ...
But just to say that I think there is a rendering error in the ALTAN-FVS2-U-FVS1-DU example.
I would need to look further, but I think the proper rendering is ALTANUDU with no dot.
Siqin, Badral, could you confirm this?
Greg


-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Wordingham [mailto:richard.wordingham@ntlworld.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 7:31 PM
To: public-i18n-mongolian@w3.org
Subject: Re: Overide #2 (NA and GA)

On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 01:53:56 +0000
Greg Eck <greck@postone.net> wrote:

> OK, thank you.
> Compound proper nouns is our common finding also.
> Greg
> 
> 
> From: jrmt@almas.co.jp [mailto:jrmt@almas.co.jp]
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 8:29 AM
> To: Greg Eck <greck@postone.net>; public-i18n-mongolian@w3.org
> Subject: RE: Overide #2

If I understand the argument correctly, it is being said that medial <NA, FVS2> is needed to encode dotlessness.  While I accept that dotlessness does need to be encoded, I don't accept ᠠᠯᠲᠠᠨᠤ᠋ᠳ᠋ᠤ ‍(Altanodu) as a valid example.

I believe a relevant, though otherwise less important, example, is the undotted traditional spelling of ᠠᠨᠠᠷ anar in row 6 of the examples on pp5-6 in TR170 and in Table 9 of GB/T 26226-2010. The table has me confused, though.  It implies that in medial <NA, FVS1>, FVS1 toggles the dotting off, though in Table A of the standard, removing the dotting from medial NA seems to be the job of FVS3.  TR170 does not have the equivalent of Table A of the Chinese standard.

Table B of GB/T 26226-2010 does not contain the medial 'separate form'
of NA.  Conceivably, it has been reanalysed as NIRUGU + medial NA.

My objection to 'Altanodu' is that NA should not, without a variation selector, be dotted before a vowel with an extra tooth.  <O, FVS1> marks the start of a syllable as well as recording the vowel, and therefore the previous NA belongs to the previous syllable, and is therefore dotless.

What happens with GA at the end of the first element of a compound when the second element begins with a vowel?

Richard.

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