- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:18:47 +0900
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Felix
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
i18n ITS WG
20 Jun 2007
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0054.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-irc
Attendees
Present
Jirka, Felix, Christian, Yves
Regrets
Chair
Yves
Scribe
Felix
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]action items
2. [6]BP restructuring
3. [7]Reviewing W3C Work or other work for ITS
4. [8]BP discussion
5. [9]next meetings AIs
6. [10]republication of BP draft
7. [11]requirement document
* [12]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
action items
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to contact JIS people in Japan about
possiblity of "ITS as JIS" (DONE) [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
Felix: ITS as JIS is a totally different process than ITS as ISO,
and not sure if it worthwhile
... propose to close ITS "ISO / JIS etc." for now
Yves: agree
... worry about that later
<scribe> ACTION: yves to check the whole doc for consistency for
"attribute" vs "attribute value" (ONGOING) [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to rewrite the description of example 11
(DONE) [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
<YvesS>
[16]http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.ht
ml
[16] http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html
Jirka mentions a type, Yves will fix that
Yves: example shows not how to override s.t., but how to implement
overriding facilities of DITA
Jira, Felix : looks fine to me
<scribe> ACTION: Christian to make a proposal for "4.1.4 Create your
XPath Expressions with Care (DONE) [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]
<YvesS>
[18]http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.ht
ml#GenXPath
[18]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#GenXPath
Yves: removed the example with XPath simplification
<Jirka> there is typo "the follwing general dimensions" -> "the
following general dimensions"
BP restructuring
Felix: do we want to do it? When would we do it?
Yves: let's discuss this next week
... have an AI for everybody for that
<scribe> ACTION: everybody to look at BP restructuring, including
existing threads on the topic, until next meeting [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]
<YvesS> [20]http://www.w3.org/TR/#last-call
[20] http://www.w3.org/TR/#last-call
Reviewing W3C Work or other work for ITS
Yves: nothing new from W3C LC drafts
no news on SRX reviews
Christian: XLIFF 1.2 is now a committee specification
... next step will probably an OASIS standard
Yves: this could need improvement e..g about bidirectionality
Christian: past reviews: got reply about EMMA comment
... replier sees an area were ITS fits in, and he will send a reply
... btw, did we hear back from OSCAR people?
Yves: just acknowledgement of the comment
... on XForms: we got feedback that ITS would be useful, but they
don't have the resource to write the rules
... I have started to work on XForms ITS rules
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to continue work on XForms ITS rules [recorded
in [21]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]
BP discussion
Yves: everybody fine with 3 and 4?
[22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0
056.html
[22]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0056.html
Christian: fine with the proposal from Yves on 3 in 56 mail
Yves: think we will see that in many BPs, so it should be in more
generic techniques
<YvesS>
[23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0
057.html
[23]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0057.html
Yves: for 3 and 4, we have agreement on the current text
... now BP 5
comment from Christian at
[24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0
057.html
[24]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0057.html
<YvesS>
[25]http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.ht
ml#DevTransOver
[25]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#DevTransOver
Yves: common issue for many topics: defaults for a schema, and
overriding of ITS rules
Christian: could use that for a general section possibly
Felix makes some rewriting proposals
Jirka: current description of BP is fine with me
Yves: BP 5 says not that you should not use its:translate if you
have a translate attribute in your schema already
Felix: it is indirectly said in:
"If you are working with DTD or a schema where there is a way to
override translatability information that is not its:translate, you
should provide an ITS rules document where you use the
its:translateRule element to associate this mechanism to the ITS
Translate data category."
Yves: proposal:
"If you are working with DTD or a schema where there is a way to
override translatability information that is not its:translate, you
should use it. You should provide an ITS rules document where you
use the its:translateRule element to associate this mechanism to the
ITS Translate data category."
Christian's proposal "If you are working with DTD or a schema where
there is a way to override translatability information that is not
its:translate, you should use it. In addition, you should provide an
ITS rules document where you use the its:translateRule element to
associate this mechanism to the ITS Translate data category."
Yves, Felix: looks good
Yves: "In some cases, the author of a document may need to change
the translatability property on parts of the content, overriding
defaults or more general rules." "Why to do this" part is very
short, but we leave it like that now
... references are short as well
... close BP 5 for now
... now BP 6
input from Christian
[26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0
058.html
[26]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0058.html
Yves: "document your code" should be an aspect of a general
technique
... should we put a new BP about that or have that on the generic
techniques?
Christian: as a new BP?
Felix: sounds like a technique to me
Yves: we have s.t. like that already about creating ITS rules
<YvesS>
[27]http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.ht
ml#DevITSRules
[27]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#DevITSRules
Felix: rules are just one kind of documentation, there is also e.g.
human readable documentation
Christian: schema designers first need to describe "what is (not)
translatable"? When they need to apply special mechanisms, i.e. ITS
rules
Yves: so we need to reword BP 14 to include Christian's input
<scribe> ACTION: everyone to propose rewriting of BP 14 as discussed
in 20 June 2007 meeting [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]
Yves: back to BP 6 - any other aspect to hink about?
... I need to rewrite the definition of the rule in example 13
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to rewrite the definition of the rule in
example 13 [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-minutes.html#action08]
next meetings AIs
Yves: will be 7 and 8
republication of BP draft
Yves: everybody fine with publication?
RESOLUTION: WG agrees with publication of new BP WG
Yves: will post the question to ML, wait for answers until Friday
Felix: proposed publication date would be 28 June (next week
Thursday)
requirement document
Yves: any deadline
Felix: no deadline. I'd propose to wait with publication until the
xml i18n BP WG Note publication
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: everybody to look at BP restructuring, including
existing threads on the topic, until next meeting [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: everyone to propose rewriting of BP 14 as discussed in
20 June 2007 meeting [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Yves to continue work on XForms ITS rules [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Yves to rewrite the definition of the rule in example
13 [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-minutes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: yves to check the whole doc for consistency for
"attribute" vs "attribute value" [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
[DONE] ACTION: Christian to make a proposal for "4.1.4 Create your
XPath Expressions with Care [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]
[DONE] ACTION: Felix to contact JIS people in Japan about possiblity
of "ITS as JIS" [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
[DONE] ACTION: Yves to rewrite the description of example 11
[recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
[End of minutes]
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