RE: Transition Request: SKOS to Proposed Recommendation

Hi Alistair,

The I18N Core WG meets on Wednesdays, so we can’t formally accept your solution as a WG until next week (19 August). However, I don’t foresee a problem with your resolution, which addresses our comments. Thank you for resolving this issue.

Best Regards,

Addison

Addison Phillips
Globalization Architect -- Lab126
Chair -- W3C Internationalization WG
Co-Editor -- IETF LTRU (BCP 47)

Internationalization is not a feature.
It is an architecture.

From: felix.sasaki@googlemail.com [mailto:felix.sasaki@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of Felix Sasaki
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:24 PM
To: Alistair Miles
Cc: Phillips, Addison; Guus Schreiber; Tim Berners-Lee; Steve Bratt; plh@w3.org; w3t-comm@w3.org; chairs@w3.org; SWCG; SWD WG; public-i18n-core@w3.org; pda@tbaker.de
Subject: Re: Transition Request: SKOS to Proposed Recommendation

Dear Alistair,

that resolves my concerns, thank you very much. Due to summer holidays I would propose that you regard this as accepted by the i18n core working group if you don't hear from others within 24 hours.

Regards,

Felix
2009/8/13 Alistair Miles <alimanfoo@gmail.com<mailto:alimanfoo@gmail.com>>
Dear Felix,

At its last telecon [1] the SWDWG made the following resolution w.r.t
[ISSUE-224]:

RESOLVED to resolve ISSUE-224 by deleting the final paragraph of
section 6.5.4 (from "Usually a notation system does not have...") and
example 22

This removes any mention or suggestion of the use of language subtags
for notations from the SKOS Reference.

I have implemented this resolution in a new revision (1.20) of the
SKOS Reference Editors' Draft at [2].

We believe this should satisfy all of the concerns raised by the I18N
WG. We would be very grateful if the I18N WG could state whether it
finds the resolution acceptable as soon as possible.

Kind regards,

Alistair

[1] http://www.w3.org/2009/08/11-swd-minutes.html#item02

[ISSUE-224<http://www.w3.org/2009/08/11-swd-minutes.html#item02%0A%5BISSUE-224>] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/224

[2] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 02:12:29PM +0200, Felix Sasaki wrote:
> Dear Alistair (personal response and response as AC of University of Applied
> Sciences Potsdam),
>
> I do not agree with your resolution. You need to take out all examples and
> suggestions for using language subtags for notations, syntactic modification
> of the examples is not enough. As Martin and me pointed out before, using
> language tags for non-language items like notations is a very bad
> suggestion, hindering the application of SKOS for multilingual data in the
> future.
>
> Regards, Felix.
>
> 2009/7/31 Alistair Miles <alimanfoo@gmail.com<mailto:alimanfoo@gmail.com>>
>
> > Dear Addison,
> >
> > Thank you for raising this issue, apologies for the delayed response.
> >
> > The SWDWG discussed this issue [1] at its teleconference on 7 July [2]
> > and made the following resolution:
> >
> > RESOLUTION: We (a) modify the example(s) in [SKOS Reference section]
> > 6.5.4 to be syntactically conformant to BCP 47 and (b) offer to add a
> > phrase such as "note that such use of private subtags to transmit data
> > unrelated to language or language choice may violate BCP 47"
> > contingent on Alistair and Sean's agreeing
> >
> > Both Sean [3] and myself find this resolution acceptable.
> >
> > Could you please indicate whether this resolution is sufficient to
> > meet your concerns. We realise this is short notice, but we would be
> > extremely grateful if you could respond with approval by 10 August, or
> > with any further concerns as soon as possible.
> >
> > Many thanks,
> >
> > Alistair
> >
> > [1] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/224
> > [2] http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-swd-minutes.html#item04

> > [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jul/0014.html

> >
> > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 02:23:14PM -0700, Phillips, Addison wrote:
> > > The Internationalization Core WG has a problem with this document that
> > should be corrected before a transition is approved. This was discussed
> > during our most recent teleconference [1] in response to comments by Felix
> > Sasaki [2] (and others, in that thread).
> > >
> > > During Last Call, I18N did review this document and made comments about
> > the use of BCP 47 language tags for language identification in the prefLabel
> > construct. I18N was satisfied by these changes. However, for whatever
> > reason, we did not notice that there were several problematic uses of the
> > prefLabel language tags elsewhere in the reference document. Specifically,
> > section 6.5.4 proposes to use language tags for additional uses. We have the
> > following concerns:
> > >
> > > 1. The language tag examples do not meet IETF BCP 47 "well-formed"
> > criteria. BCP 47 language tags limit subtag length to eight characters. The
> > examples in 6.5.4 are syntactically wrong as they are longer than eight
> > characters per subtag.
> > >
> > > 2. BCP 47 specifically recommends against using private-use subtags when
> > other mechanisms exist for data interchange. Use of private use subtags to
> > transmit data unrelated to language or language choice is frowned upon. The
> > examples given seem to confuse this or be in violation of this. We think
> > they need to be clarified and clarified in a way that removes the private
> > use subtags.
> > >
> > > Note that, although the IESG recently approved an update to RFC 4646
> > (part of BCP 47), this change has no impact on this specification or our
> > comments. We apologize for having missed this and think that the reference
> > and the related primer should (and can easily) be updated to address this
> > issue.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Addison (for I18N Core WG)
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-core-minutes.html

> > > [2]
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2009AprJun/0068.html

> > >
> > > Addison Phillips
> > > Globalization Architect -- Lab126
> > > Chair -- W3C Internationalization WG
> > >
> > > Internationalization is not a feature.
> > > It is an architecture.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: chairs-request@w3.org<mailto:chairs-request@w3.org> [mailto:chairs-request@w3.org<mailto:chairs-request@w3.org>] On
> > > > Behalf Of Guus Schreiber
> > > > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:44 PM
> > > > To: Tim Berners-Lee; Steve Bratt; plh@w3.org<mailto:plh@w3.org>
> > > > Cc: w3t-comm@w3.org<mailto:w3t-comm@w3.org>; chairs@w3.org<mailto:chairs@w3.org>; SWCG; SWD WG
> > > > Subject: Transition Request: SKOS to Proposed Recommendation
> > > >
> > > > Director,
> > > >
> > > > The Semantic Web Deployment Working Group requests transition to
> > > > Proposed
> > > > Recommendation for
> > > >
> > > >    SKOS Simple Knowledge Organization System Reference
> > > >    [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/CR-skos-reference-20090317/

> > > >
> > > > The updated editor's draft can be found at:
> > > >
> > > >    [2] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/

> > > > (Revision 1.13)
> > > >
> > > > The proposed STOD section reads as follows:
> > > >
> > > > [[
> > > >     This document is a W3C Proposed Recommendation published by the
> > > >     Semantic Web Deployment Working Group, part of the W3C Semantic
> > > > Web
> > > >     Activity.  This document reflects editorial changes arising
> > > > during
> > > >     the Candidate Recommendation review, summarized in the Changes
> > > >     section.  An implementation report documents known uses of SKOS
> > > >     during the Candidate Recommendation review period.  An updated
> > > >     SKOS Primer Working Draft is being published concurrently with
> > > > this
> > > >     Proposed Recommendation.
> > > >
> > > >     Comments on this document may be addressed to
> > > >     public-swd-wg@w3.org<mailto:public-swd-wg@w3.org>. Please include the text "SKOS
> > > >     comment" in the subject line. All comments sent to that address
> > > >     are available in a public archive.
> > > > ]]
> > > >
> > > > The record of the WG decision to request this transition is at:
> > > >
> > > >    [3] http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-swd-minutes.html#item03

> > > >
> > > > No substantive issues were raised during CR, though a few comments
> > > > resulted in
> > > > editorial clarifications to the specification. Three CR comments
> > > > were received
> > > > and resolved, namely:
> > > >
> > > >      ISSUE-191: missing bracket in example 44
> > > >      http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/192

> > > >
> > > >      ISSUE-218: editorial errors and problems (Ch. 1)
> > > >      http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/218

> > > >
> > > >      ISSUE-219: name
> > > >      http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/219

> > > >
> > > > Changes from the Candidate Recommendation version are given in the
> > > > "Changes"
> > > > section of editors draft:
> > > >
> > > >    [4]
> > > > http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/#changes

> > > >
> > > > There were no features at risk.
> > > >
> > > > The requirements have not changed since Candidate Recommendation.
> > > >
> > > > This specification has no normative references to W3C
> > > > specifications that are
> > > > not yet Proposed Recommendations.
> > > >
> > > > The Groups' implementation report [5] lists 27 implementations with
> > > > a broad
> > > > coverage of SKOS features.  All comments have received formal
> > > > responses; these
> > > > are recorded in the issue tracker [6].
> > > >
> > > >    [5]
> > > > http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/implementatio

> > > > n.html
> > > >    [6] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues

> > > >
> > > >   The specification has therefore met the CR exit criteria:
> > > >
> > > > [[
> > > >     1. At least two implementations have been demonstrated that use
> > > >        features of the SKOS vocabulary.  Other vocabularies that
> > > > use
> > > >        SKOS are candidates for inclusion in the implementation
> > > > report.
> > > >     2. All issues raised during the CR period against this document
> > > >        have received formal responses.
> > > > ]]
> > > >
> > > > There have been no formal objections.
> > > >
> > > > There have been no changes to the patent disclosure pages since the
> > > > transition
> > > > to Candidate Recommendation. There are no open exclusion
> > > > opportunities.
> > > >
> > > > The Working Group intends to publish an updated version of the SKOS
> > > > Primer
> > > > Working Draft [7] at the same time as this Proposed Recommendation.
> > > >
> > > >    [7] http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-primer/

> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thomas Baker
> > > > Guus Schreiber
> > > > co-chairs Semantic Web Deployment WG
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Alistair Miles
> > The Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics
> > Roosevelt Drive
> > Oxford
> > OX3 7BN
> > United Kingdom
> > Web: http://purl.org/net/aliman
> > Email: alimanfoo@gmail.com<mailto:alimanfoo@gmail.com> **note change of email address**
> >
> >
--
Alistair Miles
The Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics
Roosevelt Drive
Oxford
OX3 7BN
United Kingdom
Web: http://purl.org/net/aliman

Email: alimanfoo@gmail.com<mailto:alimanfoo@gmail.com> **note change of email address**