- From: Felix Sasaki <felix.sasaki@fh-potsdam.de>
- Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:24:10 +0200
- To: Alistair Miles <alimanfoo@gmail.com>
- Cc: "Phillips, Addison" <addison@amazon.com>, Guus Schreiber <schreiber@cs.vu.nl>, Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@w3.org>, Steve Bratt <steve@w3.org>, "plh@w3.org" <plh@w3.org>, "w3t-comm@w3.org" <w3t-comm@w3.org>, "chairs@w3.org" <chairs@w3.org>, SWCG <w3c-semweb-cg@w3.org>, SWD WG <public-swd-wg@w3.org>, "public-i18n-core@w3.org" <public-i18n-core@w3.org>, pda@tbaker.de
- Message-ID: <ba4134970908131224t3144810dx5c5743c877a35702@mail.gmail.com>
Dear Alistair, that resolves my concerns, thank you very much. Due to summer holidays I would propose that you regard this as accepted by the i18n core working group if you don't hear from others within 24 hours. Regards, Felix 2009/8/13 Alistair Miles <alimanfoo@gmail.com> > Dear Felix, > > At its last telecon [1] the SWDWG made the following resolution w.r.t > [ISSUE-224]: > > RESOLVED to resolve ISSUE-224 by deleting the final paragraph of > section 6.5.4 (from "Usually a notation system does not have...") and > example 22 > > This removes any mention or suggestion of the use of language subtags > for notations from the SKOS Reference. > > I have implemented this resolution in a new revision (1.20) of the > SKOS Reference Editors' Draft at [2]. > > We believe this should satisfy all of the concerns raised by the I18N > WG. We would be very grateful if the I18N WG could state whether it > finds the resolution acceptable as soon as possible. > > Kind regards, > > Alistair > > [1] http://www.w3.org/2009/08/11-swd-minutes.html#item02 > [ISSUE-224<http://www.w3.org/2009/08/11-swd-minutes.html#item02%0A%5BISSUE-224>] > http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/224 > [2] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/ > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 02:12:29PM +0200, Felix Sasaki wrote: > > Dear Alistair (personal response and response as AC of University of > Applied > > Sciences Potsdam), > > > > I do not agree with your resolution. You need to take out all examples > and > > suggestions for using language subtags for notations, syntactic > modification > > of the examples is not enough. As Martin and me pointed out before, using > > language tags for non-language items like notations is a very bad > > suggestion, hindering the application of SKOS for multilingual data in > the > > future. > > > > Regards, Felix. > > > > 2009/7/31 Alistair Miles <alimanfoo@gmail.com> > > > > > Dear Addison, > > > > > > Thank you for raising this issue, apologies for the delayed response. > > > > > > The SWDWG discussed this issue [1] at its teleconference on 7 July [2] > > > and made the following resolution: > > > > > > RESOLUTION: We (a) modify the example(s) in [SKOS Reference section] > > > 6.5.4 to be syntactically conformant to BCP 47 and (b) offer to add a > > > phrase such as "note that such use of private subtags to transmit data > > > unrelated to language or language choice may violate BCP 47" > > > contingent on Alistair and Sean's agreeing > > > > > > Both Sean [3] and myself find this resolution acceptable. > > > > > > Could you please indicate whether this resolution is sufficient to > > > meet your concerns. We realise this is short notice, but we would be > > > extremely grateful if you could respond with approval by 10 August, or > > > with any further concerns as soon as possible. > > > > > > Many thanks, > > > > > > Alistair > > > > > > [1] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/224 > > > [2] http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-swd-minutes.html#item04 > > > [3] > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jul/0014.html > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 02:23:14PM -0700, Phillips, Addison wrote: > > > > The Internationalization Core WG has a problem with this document > that > > > should be corrected before a transition is approved. This was discussed > > > during our most recent teleconference [1] in response to comments by > Felix > > > Sasaki [2] (and others, in that thread). > > > > > > > > During Last Call, I18N did review this document and made comments > about > > > the use of BCP 47 language tags for language identification in the > prefLabel > > > construct. I18N was satisfied by these changes. However, for whatever > > > reason, we did not notice that there were several problematic uses of > the > > > prefLabel language tags elsewhere in the reference document. > Specifically, > > > section 6.5.4 proposes to use language tags for additional uses. We > have the > > > following concerns: > > > > > > > > 1. The language tag examples do not meet IETF BCP 47 "well-formed" > > > criteria. BCP 47 language tags limit subtag length to eight characters. > The > > > examples in 6.5.4 are syntactically wrong as they are longer than eight > > > characters per subtag. > > > > > > > > 2. BCP 47 specifically recommends against using private-use subtags > when > > > other mechanisms exist for data interchange. Use of private use subtags > to > > > transmit data unrelated to language or language choice is frowned upon. > The > > > examples given seem to confuse this or be in violation of this. We > think > > > they need to be clarified and clarified in a way that removes the > private > > > use subtags. > > > > > > > > Note that, although the IESG recently approved an update to RFC 4646 > > > (part of BCP 47), this change has no impact on this specification or > our > > > comments. We apologize for having missed this and think that the > reference > > > and the related primer should (and can easily) be updated to address > this > > > issue. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Addison (for I18N Core WG) > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-core-minutes.html > > > > [2] > > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2009AprJun/0068.html > > > > > > > > Addison Phillips > > > > Globalization Architect -- Lab126 > > > > Chair -- W3C Internationalization WG > > > > > > > > Internationalization is not a feature. > > > > It is an architecture. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: chairs-request@w3.org [mailto:chairs-request@w3.org] On > > > > > Behalf Of Guus Schreiber > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:44 PM > > > > > To: Tim Berners-Lee; Steve Bratt; plh@w3.org > > > > > Cc: w3t-comm@w3.org; chairs@w3.org; SWCG; SWD WG > > > > > Subject: Transition Request: SKOS to Proposed Recommendation > > > > > > > > > > Director, > > > > > > > > > > The Semantic Web Deployment Working Group requests transition to > > > > > Proposed > > > > > Recommendation for > > > > > > > > > > SKOS Simple Knowledge Organization System Reference > > > > > [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/CR-skos-reference-20090317/ > > > > > > > > > > The updated editor's draft can be found at: > > > > > > > > > > [2] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/ > > > > > (Revision 1.13) > > > > > > > > > > The proposed STOD section reads as follows: > > > > > > > > > > [[ > > > > > This document is a W3C Proposed Recommendation published by the > > > > > Semantic Web Deployment Working Group, part of the W3C Semantic > > > > > Web > > > > > Activity. This document reflects editorial changes arising > > > > > during > > > > > the Candidate Recommendation review, summarized in the Changes > > > > > section. An implementation report documents known uses of SKOS > > > > > during the Candidate Recommendation review period. An updated > > > > > SKOS Primer Working Draft is being published concurrently with > > > > > this > > > > > Proposed Recommendation. > > > > > > > > > > Comments on this document may be addressed to > > > > > public-swd-wg@w3.org. Please include the text "SKOS > > > > > comment" in the subject line. All comments sent to that address > > > > > are available in a public archive. > > > > > ]] > > > > > > > > > > The record of the WG decision to request this transition is at: > > > > > > > > > > [3] http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-swd-minutes.html#item03 > > > > > > > > > > No substantive issues were raised during CR, though a few comments > > > > > resulted in > > > > > editorial clarifications to the specification. Three CR comments > > > > > were received > > > > > and resolved, namely: > > > > > > > > > > ISSUE-191: missing bracket in example 44 > > > > > http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/192 > > > > > > > > > > ISSUE-218: editorial errors and problems (Ch. 1) > > > > > http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/218 > > > > > > > > > > ISSUE-219: name > > > > > http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/219 > > > > > > > > > > Changes from the Candidate Recommendation version are given in the > > > > > "Changes" > > > > > section of editors draft: > > > > > > > > > > [4] > > > > > http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/#changes > > > > > > > > > > There were no features at risk. > > > > > > > > > > The requirements have not changed since Candidate Recommendation. > > > > > > > > > > This specification has no normative references to W3C > > > > > specifications that are > > > > > not yet Proposed Recommendations. > > > > > > > > > > The Groups' implementation report [5] lists 27 implementations with > > > > > a broad > > > > > coverage of SKOS features. All comments have received formal > > > > > responses; these > > > > > are recorded in the issue tracker [6]. > > > > > > > > > > [5] > > > > > > http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/implementatio > > > > > n.html > > > > > [6] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues > > > > > > > > > > The specification has therefore met the CR exit criteria: > > > > > > > > > > [[ > > > > > 1. At least two implementations have been demonstrated that use > > > > > features of the SKOS vocabulary. Other vocabularies that > > > > > use > > > > > SKOS are candidates for inclusion in the implementation > > > > > report. > > > > > 2. All issues raised during the CR period against this document > > > > > have received formal responses. > > > > > ]] > > > > > > > > > > There have been no formal objections. > > > > > > > > > > There have been no changes to the patent disclosure pages since the > > > > > transition > > > > > to Candidate Recommendation. There are no open exclusion > > > > > opportunities. > > > > > > > > > > The Working Group intends to publish an updated version of the SKOS > > > > > Primer > > > > > Working Draft [7] at the same time as this Proposed Recommendation. > > > > > > > > > > [7] http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-primer/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thomas Baker > > > > > Guus Schreiber > > > > > co-chairs Semantic Web Deployment WG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Alistair Miles > > > The Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics > > > Roosevelt Drive > > > Oxford > > > OX3 7BN > > > United Kingdom > > > Web: http://purl.org/net/aliman > > > Email: alimanfoo@gmail.com **note change of email address** > > > > > > > > -- > Alistair Miles > The Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics > Roosevelt Drive > Oxford > OX3 7BN > United Kingdom > Web: http://purl.org/net/aliman > Email: alimanfoo@gmail.com **note change of email address** > >
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