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Re: aria-describedat

From: Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:35:54 -0500
To: James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>
Cc: Chaals McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru>, Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org>, "Ted O'Connor" <eoconnor@apple.com>, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>, Judy Brewer <jbrewer@w3.org>, "Gunderson, Jon R" <jongund@illinois.edu>, George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com>, Leonie Watson <lwatson@paciellogroup.com>, Markus Gylling <markus.gylling@gmail.com>, "public-digipub-ig@w3.org" <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>, W3C PF - DPUB Joint Task Force <public-dpub-aria@w3.org>, HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>, PF <public-pfwg@w3.org>, SVG WG <public-svg-wg@w3.org>, "David (Standards) Singer" <singer@apple.com>
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I understand but publishers won't stick polyfills in their books.

We need to fix the cross browser support problem with details/summary.
Since aria-describedat is not implemented either we I don't see
details/summary as taking any longer time.


Rich Schwerdtfeger



From:	James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>
To:	Chaals McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru>
Cc:	Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, "Gunderson, Jon R"
            <jongund@illinois.edu>, Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org>, "Ted
            O'Connor" <eoconnor@apple.com>, Steve Faulkner
            <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>,
            Judy Brewer <jbrewer@w3.org>, George Kerscher
            <kerscher@montana.com>, Leonie Watson
            <lwatson@paciellogroup.com>, Markus Gylling
            <markus.gylling@gmail.com>, "public-digipub-ig@w3.org"
            <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>, W3C PF - DPUB Joint Task Force
            <public-dpub-aria@w3.org>, HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>, PF
            <public-pfwg@w3.org>, SVG WG <public-svg-wg@w3.org>, "David
            (Standards) Singer" <singer@apple.com>
Date:	08/11/2015 12:22 PM
Subject:	Re: aria-describedat




> On Aug 11, 2015, at 2:40 AM, Chaals McCathie Nevile
<chaals@yandex-team.ru> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 20:29:57 +0200, Gunderson, Jon R
> <jongund@illinois.edu> wrote:
>
>> Rich,
>>
>> In your example does the SUMMARY element content serve as the text
equivalent for the image, or would the image also need an ALT attribute?
>
> In the example as suggested, it appears that there needs to be an alt as
well.
>
> Actually, the example wouldn't work at the moment, and would force
everyone to read the full table, which is pretty sub-optimal, given that
details/summary isn't implemented - and therefore nor is it part of an HTML
standard.

Straw man fallacy.

The referenced example works fine.
http://cookiecrook.com/longdesc/details/

It has native support in Safari & Chrome, and proof-of-concept polyfill
support in Firefox & IE.

> An alternative is to provide the table via longdesc, but while almost all
screenreaders support this fine, support for non-screenreader users in
browsers is still pretty much rubbish :(

Rubbish, indeed.








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