Re: adding a note to 4.3.10.1 Creating an outline

On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Willem-Siebe Spoelstra
<info@spoelstra.ws> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> What should be the benefit of an <outline> element?
>
> We have sectioning content and sectioning root for that I believe? How we
> use those elements defines the outline right?

You misunderstood.

My suggestion is for a Table-Of-Contents element. Something like the
feature that Word processing applications have that can automatically
gather the outline of a document and present it with page numbers in a
auto-created table of contents. Something like this could be provided
in a <toc/> element for Web pages (similar to what wiki pages already
do) and would make use of the outline algorithm.


Cheers,
Silvia.

> Me too was believing this is very important, untill I discovered it was not
> used in user agents.
>
> But this is mentioned before in bug:
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23490#c23
>
> Also, I asked three times questions about the practical part of creating a
> correct outline, never got a reply. So I get the idea developers are not
> interested in this too, so why is the 'outline' mentioned anyway?
>
> See this: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013Dec/0011.html
> See this: http://www.w3.org/community/html5spec/2013/09/03/correct-use-of/
> See this:
> http://www.w3.org/community/html5spec/2013/10/15/what-to-do-with-recurrent-content-among-pages-and-posts/
>
> Vriendelijke groet,
>
> Willem-Siebe Spoelstra
>
> 2014-02-27 12:07 GMT+01:00 Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>:
>
>> Was it ever discussed to introduce an actual <outline> element (or
>> maybe more appropriately a <toc> element)?
>>
>> I think it would be a worthwhile discussion for a HTML5.1 feature if
>> there was implementor interest and it could make use of the outlining
>> algorithm, making it actually useful.
>>
>> Silvia.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:49 AM, Steve Faulkner
>> <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Section 4.3.10.1 Creating an outline [1] defines an outlining algorithm,
>> > but
>> > there are no implementation requirements for user agents.
>> > Authors/developers
>> > have been lead to believe that the algorithm is something real that is
>> > implemented by user agents, this has lead to the dissemination of
>> > incorrect
>> > authoring advice in books, on the web etc.
>> >
>> > I propose to add a note at the start of section 4.3.10.1 to clarify,
>> > something along the lines of:
>> >
>> > "the implementation of the outline algorithm in user agents is not
>> > required,
>> > Its inclusion in the specification is for informative purposes only. "
>> >
>> > any thoughts?
>> >
>> > [1] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/sections.html#outlines
>> > --
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > SteveF
>> > HTML 5.

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