Re: 4.13.1 Bread crumb navigation - use of right angle brackets

Thanks for sharing. The text about the survey says: ”Those without 
disabilities were twice as likely to prefer nested lists (by far the 
most complex of the presentations) than those with disabilities.” 

This makes me wonder if the test results are affected by the fact that 
the tests were not blind tests. Instead each test had a header which 
described the technical solution. The tests were ”evened out” by being 
styled to look the same. So why would people without disabilities be 
more inclined to prefer nested lists than the other solutions, if it 
was not because they somehow were “predisposed” to think that nested 
lists was a better solution?

The winner is ”I don‘t know”, which could be interpreted as ”it does 
not matter”. But note that 47% preferred a list solution. The survey 
states ”(that so many didn't know is insightful - perhaps because the 
unordered and ordered lists examples are presented identically in some 
screen readers)”. However, that statement sounds like the survey 
reviewer forgot that ”Text” was one of the options. Does this mean that 
some AT presents lists and text the same way?

That ordered lists won, amongst those with a preference, is against my 
own initial preference. However, ordered lists should be OK.

Leif Halvard Silli

Steve Faulkner, Thu, 27 Feb 2014 09:47:07 +0000:
>>webaim screen reader survey includes a question (q 17) about breadcrumbs 
> http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey5/

> 
> results now available:
> 
> Which of the Breadcrumb examples on this page (link opens a new 
> windows/tab) do you prefer?
> 
> Which of the Breadcrumb examples on this page (link opens a new 
> windows/tab) do you prefer?
> 
>       Response        # of Respondents  % of Respondents
> #1  - Unordered List  156               11.9%
> #2  - Ordered List    364               27.8%
> #3  - Nested List      96                7.3%
> #4  - Text            268               20.4%
>     I Don't Know      427               32.6%



> On 21 December 2013 09:08, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Leif, 
>> 
>> webaim screen reader survey includes a question (q 17) about breadcrumbs 
>> http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey5/

>> 
>> this will hopefully provide some useful data on the various mark patterns.
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> SteveF
>> HTML 5.1
>> 
>> 
>> On 12 November 2013 12:55, Leif H. Silli 
>> <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no> wrote:
>>> In my view, Steve has shown his thinking. The breadcrumb does not 
>>> represent a hierarchy, it represents a path across a hierarchy. 
>>> Hence, it is juat fine that a list does not represent a hierarchy.
>>> 
>>> My addition: A path is an unordered list in the sense that another 
>>> path to the same end point might also be possible, depending on  
>>> how the web site is configured.
>>> 
>>> Leif Halvard Silli
>>> 
>>> "Jens O. Meiert" 12.11.2013, 06:08
>>> Til: "Jukka K. Korpela"; Steve Faulkner
>>> Kopi: W3C Public HTML
>>> Emne: Re: 4.13.1 Bread crumb navigation - use of right angle brackets
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> > feedback from (AT) users appears to indicate that when there 
>>> are links of
>>>> > lists its useful to have them marked up as a list.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder what the specific issue is there. Which software is this about?
>>>> What is the difference, from the user perspective, between 
>>> <nav><ul><li><a
>>>> href=...>...</a>...</ul></nav> and a <nav> containing just <a> 
>>> elements with
>>>> some separators, like “→”, between them? How much does this 
>>> matter, and
>>>> why?
>>>>
>>>> Any effect should be weighed against the obvious effect that in 
>>> any non-CSS
>>>> rendering situation, the breadcrumb becomes a bulleted list. A 
>>> bulleted list
>>>> indicates, in any normal usage, a simple list of items – it does not
>>>> indicate a hierarchy, rather lack thereof.
>>> 
>>> +1.
>>> 
>>> Steve, do you mind sharing specifics? What AT users, and how many?
>>> What does “appear” mean? And what were they asked? (If asked how to
>>> mark up a list, I’d also say using a list. But here we ask how to
>>> markup breadcrumbs.)
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jens O. Meiert
>>> http://meiert.com/en/

>>> 
>>> ✍ New book! http://meiert.com/everyday-adventurer

>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>

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