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Re: Question on "phrasing content" definition

From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 09:43:42 +0200
Message-ID: <51933CAE.8030902@w3.org>
To: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
CC: Pēteris Ņikiforovs <peteris.nikiforovs@tilde.lv>, public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org, Mārcis Pinnis <marcis.pinnis@tilde.lv>, "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>
Am 15.05.13 09:26, schrieb Silvia Pfeiffer:
>
> Wouldn't you want to Igor script for your purposes anyway no matter 
> where it appears?
>

I agree, that is to say on the ITS 2.0 side: default "within-text=yes" 
is for
http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/dom.html#phrasing-content-1
plus "script" independent of position. MLW-LT folks, what do you think?

- Felix

> Silvia.
>
> On 15 May 2013 16:54, "Felix Sasaki" <fsasaki@w3.org 
> <mailto:fsasaki@w3.org>> wrote:
>
>     Just to give some background for Silvia / the HTML WG about this
>     topic.
>
>     In ITS 2.0 "Elements Within Text" information
>     http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#elements-within-text
>     helps to identify nesting properties of text sequences. This is
>     needed e.g. for triggering segmentation during extraction of text,
>     as a preparation for translation / localization: in
>     <p>This is a <span>test</span></p>
>     a translator doesn't want to see the content of e.g. "span"
>     separately extracted from a "p". So "span" is "within-text=yes",
>     and "p" is "within-text=no".
>
>     In ITS 2.0 we want to align with HTML5 as much as possible with
>     regards to defaults for "within text". For the defaults we refer to
>     http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/dom.html#phrasing-content-1
>     saying in ITS 2.0 "what is listed here is equal to ITS
>     within-text=yes". In this way, content authors don't have to set a
>     lot of "within-text" information explicitly.
>
>     Refering to
>     phrasing content
>     works in 99% (e.g. for "span", "em", ...) - but "script" raised
>     the question that created this thread: "script" is part of
>     phrasing content in "body", but "script" can also appear in the
>     head. With what this thread looks like currently, we would assume
>     that "script" would only be seen as by default "within-text=yes"
>     when it appears in the body. (Note that one can always override
>     these defaults with explicit metadata, btw.).
>
>     Best,
>
>     Felix
>
>     Am 15.05.13 08:00, schrieb Mārcis Pinnis:
>
>         Hi All,
>
>         So we can assume that the HTML5 Defaults for ITS 2.0 Elements
>         Within Text do not affect the head element, right?
>
>         Best regards,
>         Mārcis ;o)
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: Silvia Pfeiffer [mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com
>         <mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>]
>         Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:51 AM
>         To: Felix Sasaki
>         Cc: public-html@w3.org <mailto:public-html@w3.org>;
>         public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
>         <mailto:public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>
>         Subject: Re: Question on "phrasing content" definition
>
>         Hi Felix,
>
>         the definition of <head> is here:
>         http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/document-metadata.html#the-head-element
>
>         It says for its content model:
>         If the document is an iframe srcdoc document or if title
>         information is available from a higher-level protocol: Zero or
>         more elements of metadata content.
>         Otherwise: One or more elements of metadata content, of which
>         exactly one is a title element.
>
>         So, the content model is metadata content, which is specified
>         here:
>         http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/dom.html#metadata-content
>
>         So, no, <head> elements don't hve phrasing content.
>
>         HTH.
>         Silvia.
>
>         On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org
>         <mailto:fsasaki@w3.org>> wrote:
>
>             Not sure if anybody from the HTML WG saw this or whether a
>             different
>             forum for this question would be better ... anyway, any
>             advice would
>             be highly appreciated.
>
>             Thanks,
>
>             Felix
>
>             Am 08.05.13 15:33, schrieb Felix Sasaki:
>
>                 Hi,
>
>                 a question on
>
>                 http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/dom.html#phrasing-content-1
>
>                 does this definition also encompass the content of the
>                 "head"
>                 element, e.g. "script" inside "head"? That is, is
>                 content of <head>
>                 part of intra-paragraph?
>
>                 Thanks,
>
>                 Felix
>
>
>
>
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