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Re: Question on "phrasing content" definition

From: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 17:26:19 +1000
Message-ID: <CAHp8n2nT_Pb6Ww2rDnFnuuuzo4P8WOA5-dmWU_f-DAY4WdPV=Q@mail.gmail.com>
To: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
Cc: Pēteris Ņikiforovs <peteris.nikiforovs@tilde.lv>, public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org, Mārcis Pinnis <marcis.pinnis@tilde.lv>, "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>
Wouldn't you want to Igor script for your purposes anyway no matter where
it appears?
Silvia.
On 15 May 2013 16:54, "Felix Sasaki" <fsasaki@w3.org> wrote:

> Just to give some background for Silvia / the HTML WG about this topic.
>
> In ITS 2.0 "Elements Within Text" information
> http://www.w3.org/**International/multilingualweb/**
> lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#**elements-within-text<http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#elements-within-text>
> helps to identify nesting properties of text sequences. This is needed
> e.g. for triggering segmentation during extraction of text, as a
> preparation for translation / localization: in
> <p>This is a <span>test</span></p>
> a translator doesn't want to see the content of e.g. "span" separately
> extracted from a "p". So "span" is "within-text=yes", and "p" is
> "within-text=no".
>
> In ITS 2.0 we want to align with HTML5 as much as possible with regards to
> defaults for "within text". For the defaults we refer to
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/**dom.html#phrasing-content-1<http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/dom.html#phrasing-content-1>
> saying in ITS 2.0 "what is listed here is equal to ITS within-text=yes".
> In this way, content authors don't have to set a lot of "within-text"
> information explicitly.
>
> Refering to
> phrasing content
> works in 99% (e.g. for "span", "em", ...) - but "script" raised the
> question that created this thread: "script" is part of phrasing content in
> "body", but "script" can also appear in the head. With what this thread
> looks like currently, we would assume that "script" would only be seen as
> by default "within-text=yes" when it appears in the body. (Note that one
> can always override these defaults with explicit metadata, btw.).
>
> Best,
>
> Felix
>
> Am 15.05.13 08:00, schrieb Mārcis Pinnis:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> So we can assume that the HTML5 Defaults for ITS 2.0 Elements Within Text
>> do not affect the head element, right?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Mārcis ;o)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Silvia Pfeiffer [mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.**com<silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
>> ]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:51 AM
>> To: Felix Sasaki
>> Cc: public-html@w3.org; public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.**org<public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>
>> Subject: Re: Question on "phrasing content" definition
>>
>> Hi Felix,
>>
>> the definition of <head> is here:
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/**document-metadata.html#the-**head-element<http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/document-metadata.html#the-head-element>
>>
>> It says for its content model:
>> If the document is an iframe srcdoc document or if title information is
>> available from a higher-level protocol: Zero or more elements of metadata
>> content.
>> Otherwise: One or more elements of metadata content, of which exactly one
>> is a title element.
>>
>> So, the content model is metadata content, which is specified here:
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/**dom.html#metadata-content<http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/dom.html#metadata-content>
>>
>> So, no, <head> elements don't hve phrasing content.
>>
>> HTH.
>> Silvia.
>>
>> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure if anybody from the HTML WG saw this or whether a different
>>> forum for this question would be better ... anyway, any advice would
>>> be highly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Felix
>>>
>>> Am 08.05.13 15:33, schrieb Felix Sasaki:
>>>
>>>  Hi,
>>>>
>>>> a question on
>>>>
>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/**dom.html#phrasing-content-1<http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/dom.html#phrasing-content-1>
>>>>
>>>> does this definition also encompass the content of the "head"
>>>> element, e.g. "script" inside "head"? That is, is content of <head>
>>>> part of intra-paragraph?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Felix
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
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