- From: Ian Devlin <ian@iandevlin.com>
- Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:06:06 +0100
- To: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
- Cc: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>, HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAOYOhSvnZyKgALcn55vvuhioWzFiCkO8CekdqshdVH6hw48KKA@mail.gmail.com>
I've been thinking a bit about this and am coming around to preferring the idea of using a list, although it's more likely to be <ol> rather than <ul> since comments are usually listed in order of when they were posted. There's also the issue of nested lists, if the comment thread takes more of a conversation thread layout, e.g. <ol> <li>Comment 1</li> <li>Comment 2</li> <li>Comment 3 <ol> <li>Comment 3 Reply 1</li> <li>Comment 3 Reply 2</li> </ol> </li> <li>Comment 4</li> </ol> Another thought that has occurred to me is related to the <nav> element. Someone suggested (I can't recall where) that since <nav> often (but not exlusively) contains a list of links, that the spec changes to allow <li> elements to be direct children of <nav>. So if there was ever the introduction of a <comment>, <discussion> or <thread> element (for example) then the same might apply. Just some thoughts on the matter. Do with them what you will! Regards, Ian On 25 January 2013 13:33, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Silvia, > > I am not overly keen on the ul > article idea myself, its an experiment, a > discussion point, but what it does is illustrate the useful information > conveyed by a list structure that is missing from the current > recommendation. > > > regards > Steve > > > On 25 January 2013 12:15, Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>wrote: > >> My gut feeling says that the second one opens the door to a lot of bad >> markup. People will start thinking that other elements can follow this list >> pattern, too. I don't think it should be allowed. I'd prefer the explicit >> use of list elements, possibly with <article> inside. >> Silvia. >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:37 PM, Steve Faulkner < >> faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I have sketched out a few possibilities: >>> 1 conservative, 1 less so. >>> >>> http://www.html5accessibility.com/tests/comments.html >>> >>> >>> regards >>> SteveF >>> >>> >>> On 23 January 2013 10:41, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I think the definition of the article element in HTML [1] is overly >>>> vague and broad, which leads to intended and unintended use that >>>> undermines its usefulness as a semantic construct for users that >>>> actually consume its semantics such as screen reader users. >>>> >>>> For example, the spec promotes the use of article as a container of, >>>> well, an article and also for each instance of a comment on an article >>>> (example: [2]). >>>> Yet there is no defined method of exposing the semantic differences >>>> between an article in the common understanding of the term and when >>>> used as defined in the broader HTML definition. >>>> >>>> I suggest that the authoring advice and requirments in regards to the >>>> article element need to be reviewed and perhaps modified in light of >>>> usage data [4], how the semantics are exposed and conveyed in user >>>> agents, issues articulated in articles and blog posts (example: [3]) >>>> on how to use it and feedback from users and developers. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/sections.html#the-article-element >>>> [2] >>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/07/tories-laughing-again-deborah-orr >>>> [3] http://html5doctor.com/designing-a-blog-with-html5/ >>>> [4] http://www.html5accessibility.com/HTML5data/article/ >>>> -- >>>> with regards >>>> >>>> Steve Faulkner >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> with regards >>> >>> Steve Faulkner >>> Technical Director - TPG >>> >>> www.paciellogroup.com | www.HTML5accessibility.com | >>> www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner >>> HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives - >>> dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/ >>> Web Accessibility Toolbar - www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html >>> >>> >> >> > > > -- > with regards > > Steve Faulkner > Technical Director - TPG > > www.paciellogroup.com | www.HTML5accessibility.com | > www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner > HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives - > dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/ > Web Accessibility Toolbar - www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html > > -- ian devlin e: ian@iandevlin.com w: www.iandevlin.com t: @iandevlin <http://www.twitter.com/iandevlin> skype: idevlin buy my book: html5 multimedia: develop and design<http://html5multimedia.com>
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