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Re: indicating subtitles using small

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 12:12:17 +0100
Message-ID: <CA+ri+VkBhcRSHT=NezUDAnFW1jEyHNYhGCKYfABisu9WMcEpQg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Ian Devlin <ian@iandevlin.com>
Cc: HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
Ok so i grepped in the previous data set for 'bootstrap'

'bootstrap' in *.html: 69 matches in 17 files. 122 files searched.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/377471/tests/bootstrap.html


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SteveF
HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>


On 8 April 2013 08:22, Ian Devlin <ian@iandevlin.com> wrote:

> But how many of those websites are based on Twitter Bootstrap?
>
>
> On 7 April 2013 23:35, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >I believe
>> >the use of small for sub-thingies in headings also predates HTML5
>>
>> i did a quick grep of <small> in h1/h2/h3  https://
>> dl.dropbox.com/u/377471/tests/smallinhx.html <https://t.co/1lllq5VA1s>
>> using the http://webdevdata.org data set
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> SteveF
>> HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>
>>
>>
>> On 7 April 2013 22:07, Mallory van Achterberg <stommepoes@stommepoes.nl>wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 08:23:00PM +0100, Léonie Watson wrote:
>>> > Steve Faulkner wrote:
>>> >> “what are peoples thoughts on extending <small> to identify
>>> >> subheadings/subtitles taglines etc. when used as a descendant of a hx
>>> >> element?”
>>> >
>>> > I think it would be prudent to keep <small> for marking up  small
>>> print like
>>> > legal disclaimers etc. Extending it to include taglines etc. would
>>> blur the
>>> > semantics too much.
>>> >
>>> > This does have echoes of the <hgroup> question though. I wonder
>>> whether it’s
>>> > worth revisiting the idea of a purpose built element for taglines,
>>> > straplines and the like?
>>>
>>> I've been using <small> for exactly this sub-heading use for some
>>> time now. While I could agree that it should be a "no" if it must
>>> remain more a fine-print/legal text semantic, the reason I've been
>>> using it over a span is really how I hear it in my head: the same
>>> way I hear small print and often stuff in parenthesis, and for this
>>> reason the text is indeed usually styled smaller (same reason legal
>>> text is).
>>>
>>> The fear of blurring the semantics more is, in my view, already done
>>> since HTML5 making a new meaning of an old tag pretty much means
>>> most developers will be using the original meaning, if any. I believe
>>> the use of small for sub-thingies in headings also predates HTML5, but
>>> someone would have to show evidence like Steve's hgroup research.
>>>
>>> The arguments of the Bootstrap guys are not very convinving; for
>>> them, any tag would do and they chose this one. Hey, they also use
>>> <li> for heading tags too. If some in the WG would rather stiffen up
>>> the usage of <small> to restrict this kind of random usage, I'd
>>> understand. And then we'd have more reason to figure out tagline
>>> solutions.
>>>
>>> OT:
>>> Then again I've continued using <address> for addresses, and would
>>> rather the name change to reflect "webmaster contact email".
>>>
>>> -Mallory
>>>
>>>
>>
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