- From: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
- Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:41:40 +1000
- To: Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com>
- Cc: Frank Olivier <Frank.Olivier@microsoft.com>, public-html <public-html@w3.org>
I agree. So, maybe we could do a s/caption file/text track resource/ if there are no objections? Cheers, Silvia. On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com> wrote: > I would suggest using "resource" instead of "file". It need not be stored in > a "file". > > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Frank Olivier <Frank.Olivier@microsoft.com> > wrote: >> >> I agree. "Text track file" is a more generic and apt description for all >> the use cases you mentioned. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Silvia Pfeiffer [mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 6:39 PM >> To: Frank Olivier >> Cc: public-html >> Subject: Issue 188 changes ("Generic Text Track") >> >> Hi Frank, >> >> Ian made the below changes to the HTML spec where he replaced the use of >> "WebVTT file" with "caption file" because of the change proposal that was >> accepted for issue 188 [1]. >> >> I'd like to raise my concerns about the term "caption file" and would >> prefer we used something like "text track file", so we can continue to mark >> up chapters and descriptions with such a file, too. Otherwise the HTML spec >> can really only use <track> for captions and not for other kinds of data >> (including subtitles, descriptions, chapters and metadata). >> >> Would you agree? >> >> Regards, >> Silvia. >> >> [1] http://www.w3.org/wiki/ISSUE188/GenericTextTrack >> >> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 9:42 AM: >> > Author: ianh >> > Date: 2012-04-19 16:42:42 -0700 (Thu, 19 Apr 2012) New Revision: 7060 >> > >> > Modified: >> > complete.html >> > index >> > source >> > Log: >> > [e] (0) apply wg decision >> > Affected topics: HTML >> > >> > Modified: complete.html >> > =================================================================== >> > --- complete.html 2012-04-19 22:54:19 UTC (rev 7059) >> > +++ complete.html 2012-04-19 23:42:42 UTC (rev 7060) >> > @@ -240,7 +240,7 @@ >> > >> > <header class=head id=head><p><a class=logo >> > href=http://www.whatwg.org/><img alt=WHATWG height=101 >> > src=/images/logo width=101></a></p> >> > <hgroup><h1 class=allcaps>HTML</h1> >> > - <h2 class="no-num no-toc">Living Standard — Last Updated 18 >> > April 2012</h2> >> > + <h2 class="no-num no-toc">Living Standard — Last Updated 19 >> > + April 2012</h2> >> > </hgroup><dl><dt><strong>Web developer edition:</strong></dt> >> > <dd><strong><a >> > href=http://developers.whatwg.org/>http://developers.whatwg.org/</a></ >> > strong></dd> >> > <dt>Multiple-page version:</dt> >> > @@ -1525,6 +1525,10 @@ >> > the "they're ugly" use case), because of a <a >> > href=http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0786.html >> > >working >> > group chair decision from March 2012</a>.</li> >> > >> > + <li>The W3C HTML specification uses the term "caption file" in >> > + place of "WebVTT file" in certain places, because of a <a >> > + href=http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0557.ht >> > + ml>working >> > + group chair decision from March 2012</a>.</li> >> > + >> > </ul><p>The following sections are only published in the WHATWG >> > specifications and are not currently available anywhere else:</p> >> > >> > @@ -26953,12 +26957,17 @@ >> > provided, either as a separate track embedded in the video stream, >> > or a separate audio track in an <code><a >> > href=#the-audio-element>audio</a></code> element <a >> > href=#slaved-media-elements title="slaved media elements">slaved</a> >> > to the same controller >> > as the <code><a href=#the-video-element>video</a></code> element(s), >> > or in text form using a >> > - <a href=#webvtt-file>WebVTT file</a> referenced using the <code><a >> > href=#the-track-element>track</a></code> >> > - element and synthesized into speech by the user agent. WebVTT can >> > - also be used to provide chapter titles. For users who would rather >> > - not use a media element at all, transcripts or other textual >> > - alternatives can be provided by simply linking to them in the prose >> > - near the <code><a href=#the-video-element>video</a></code> element. >> > <a href=#refsWEBVTT>[WEBVTT]</a></p> >> > + <a href=#webvtt-file>WebVTT file</a> <!--FORK--> >> > + referenced using the <code><a >> > +href=#the-track-element>track</a></code> element and synthesized into >> > + speech by the user agent. WebVTT can also be used to provide >> > +chapter >> > + titles. For users who would rather not use a media element at all, >> > + transcripts or other textual alternatives can be provided by simply >> > + linking to them in the prose near the <code><a >> > href=#the-video-element>video</a></code> element. >> > +<!--FORK--> >> > + <a href=#refsWEBVTT>[WEBVTT]</a> >> > +<!--FORK--> >> > + </p> >> > >> > <p>The <code><a href=#the-video-element>video</a></code> element is >> > a <a href=#media-element>media element</a> >> > whose <a href=#media-data>media data</a> is ostensibly video data, >> > possibly @@ -27311,9 +27320,16 @@ >> > instead of the <code><a href=#the-audio-element>audio</a></code> >> > element to play the audio, >> > allowing users to enable the visual alternatives. Chapter titles can >> > be provided to aid navigation, using the <code><a >> > href=#the-track-element>track</a></code> element >> > - and a WebVTT file. And, naturally, transcripts or other textual >> > - alternatives can be provided by simply linking to them in the prose >> > - near the <code><a href=#the-audio-element>audio</a></code> element. >> > <a href=#refsWEBVTT>[WEBVTT]</a></p> >> > + and a >> > + <a href=#webvtt-file>WebVTT file</a>. >> > +<!--FORK--> >> > + And, naturally, transcripts or other textual alternatives can be >> > + provided by simply linking to them in the prose near the >> > + <code><a href=#the-audio-element>audio</a></code> element. >> > +<!--FORK--> >> > + <a href=#refsWEBVTT>[WEBVTT]</a> >> > +<!--FORK--> >> > + </p> >> > >> > <p>The <code><a href=#the-audio-element>audio</a></code> element is >> > a <a href=#media-element>media element</a> >> > whose <a href=#media-data>media data</a> is ostensibly audio >> > data.</p> >> > >> > Modified: index >> > =================================================================== >> > --- index 2012-04-19 22:54:19 UTC (rev 7059) >> > +++ index 2012-04-19 23:42:42 UTC (rev 7060) >> > @@ -240,7 +240,7 @@ >> > >> > <header class=head id=head><p><a class=logo >> > href=http://www.whatwg.org/><img alt=WHATWG height=101 >> > src=/images/logo width=101></a></p> >> > <hgroup><h1 class=allcaps>HTML</h1> >> > - <h2 class="no-num no-toc">Living Standard — Last Updated 18 >> > April 2012</h2> >> > + <h2 class="no-num no-toc">Living Standard — Last Updated 19 >> > + April 2012</h2> >> > </hgroup><dl><dt><strong>Web developer edition:</strong></dt> >> > <dd><strong><a >> > href=http://developers.whatwg.org/>http://developers.whatwg.org/</a></ >> > strong></dd> >> > <dt>Multiple-page version:</dt> >> > @@ -1525,6 +1525,10 @@ >> > the "they're ugly" use case), because of a <a >> > href=http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0786.html >> > >working >> > group chair decision from March 2012</a>.</li> >> > >> > + <li>The W3C HTML specification uses the term "caption file" in >> > + place of "WebVTT file" in certain places, because of a <a >> > + href=http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0557.ht >> > + ml>working >> > + group chair decision from March 2012</a>.</li> >> > + >> > </ul><p>The following sections are only published in the WHATWG >> > specifications and are not currently available anywhere else:</p> >> > >> > @@ -26953,12 +26957,17 @@ >> > provided, either as a separate track embedded in the video stream, >> > or a separate audio track in an <code><a >> > href=#the-audio-element>audio</a></code> element <a >> > href=#slaved-media-elements title="slaved media elements">slaved</a> >> > to the same controller >> > as the <code><a href=#the-video-element>video</a></code> element(s), >> > or in text form using a >> > - <a href=#webvtt-file>WebVTT file</a> referenced using the <code><a >> > href=#the-track-element>track</a></code> >> > - element and synthesized into speech by the user agent. WebVTT can >> > - also be used to provide chapter titles. For users who would rather >> > - not use a media element at all, transcripts or other textual >> > - alternatives can be provided by simply linking to them in the prose >> > - near the <code><a href=#the-video-element>video</a></code> element. >> > <a href=#refsWEBVTT>[WEBVTT]</a></p> >> > + <a href=#webvtt-file>WebVTT file</a> <!--FORK--> >> > + referenced using the <code><a >> > +href=#the-track-element>track</a></code> element and synthesized into >> > + speech by the user agent. WebVTT can also be used to provide >> > +chapter >> > + titles. For users who would rather not use a media element at all, >> > + transcripts or other textual alternatives can be provided by simply >> > + linking to them in the prose near the <code><a >> > href=#the-video-element>video</a></code> element. >> > +<!--FORK--> >> > + <a href=#refsWEBVTT>[WEBVTT]</a> >> > +<!--FORK--> >> > + </p> >> > >> > <p>The <code><a href=#the-video-element>video</a></code> element is >> > a <a href=#media-element>media element</a> >> > whose <a href=#media-data>media data</a> is ostensibly video data, >> > possibly @@ -27311,9 +27320,16 @@ >> > instead of the <code><a href=#the-audio-element>audio</a></code> >> > element to play the audio, >> > allowing users to enable the visual alternatives. Chapter titles can >> > be provided to aid navigation, using the <code><a >> > href=#the-track-element>track</a></code> element >> > - and a WebVTT file. And, naturally, transcripts or other textual >> > - alternatives can be provided by simply linking to them in the prose >> > - near the <code><a href=#the-audio-element>audio</a></code> element. >> > <a href=#refsWEBVTT>[WEBVTT]</a></p> >> > + and a >> > + <a href=#webvtt-file>WebVTT file</a>. >> > +<!--FORK--> >> > + And, naturally, transcripts or other textual alternatives can be >> > + provided by simply linking to them in the prose near the >> > + <code><a href=#the-audio-element>audio</a></code> element. >> > +<!--FORK--> >> > + <a href=#refsWEBVTT>[WEBVTT]</a> >> > +<!--FORK--> >> > + </p> >> > >> > <p>The <code><a href=#the-audio-element>audio</a></code> element is >> > a <a href=#media-element>media element</a> >> > whose <a href=#media-data>media data</a> is ostensibly audio >> > data.</p> >> > >> > Modified: source >> > =================================================================== >> > --- source 2012-04-19 22:54:19 UTC (rev 7059) >> > +++ source 2012-04-19 23:42:42 UTC (rev 7060) >> > @@ -252,6 +252,11 @@ >> > >> > href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0786.htm >> > l">working >> > group chair decision from March 2012</a>.</li> >> > >> > + <li>The W3C HTML specification uses the term "caption file" in >> > + place of "WebVTT file" in certain places, because of a <a >> > + >> > + href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0557.h >> > + tml">working >> > + group chair decision from March 2012</a>.</li> >> > + >> > </ul> >> > >> > <p>The following sections are only published in the WHATWG @@ >> > -29024,12 +29029,20 @@ >> > or a separate audio track in an <code>audio</code> element <span >> > title="slaved media elements">slaved</span> to the same controller >> > as the <code>video</code> element(s), or in text form using a >> > - <span>WebVTT file</span> referenced using the <code>track</code> >> > - element and synthesized into speech by the user agent. WebVTT can >> > - also be used to provide chapter titles. For users who would rather >> > - not use a media element at all, transcripts or other textual >> > - alternatives can be provided by simply linking to them in the prose >> > - near the <code>video</code> element. <a >> > href="#refsWEBVTT">[WEBVTT]</a></p> >> > +<!--END dev-html--><!--END complete--><!--FORK--> >> > + caption file >> > +<!--START dev-html--><!--START complete--><!--END >> > +w3c-html--><!--FORK--> >> > + <span>WebVTT file</span> >> > +<!--START w3c-html--><!--FORK--> >> > + referenced using the <code>track</code> element and synthesized >> > +into >> > + speech by the user agent. WebVTT can also be used to provide >> > +chapter >> > + titles. For users who would rather not use a media element at all, >> > + transcripts or other textual alternatives can be provided by simply >> > + linking to them in the prose near the <code>video</code> element. >> > +<!--END w3c-html--><!--FORK--> >> > + <a href="#refsWEBVTT">[WEBVTT]</a> >> > +<!--START w3c-html--><!--FORK--> >> > + </p> >> > >> > <p>The <code>video</code> element is a <span>media element</span> >> > whose <span>media data</span> is ostensibly video data, possibly @@ >> > -29425,9 +29438,19 @@ >> > instead of the <code>audio</code> element to play the audio, >> > allowing users to enable the visual alternatives. Chapter titles can >> > be provided to aid navigation, using the <code>track</code> element >> > - and a WebVTT file. And, naturally, transcripts or other textual >> > - alternatives can be provided by simply linking to them in the prose >> > - near the <code>audio</code> element. <a >> > href="#refsWEBVTT">[WEBVTT]</a></p> >> > + and a >> > +<!--END dev-html--><!--END complete--><!--FORK--> >> > + caption file. >> > +<!--START dev-html--><!--START complete--><!--END >> > +w3c-html--><!--FORK--> >> > + <span>WebVTT file</span>. >> > +<!--START w3c-html--><!--FORK--> >> > + And, naturally, transcripts or other textual alternatives can be >> > + provided by simply linking to them in the prose near the >> > + <code>audio</code> element. >> > +<!--END w3c-html--><!--FORK--> >> > + <a href="#refsWEBVTT">[WEBVTT]</a> >> > +<!--START w3c-html--><!--FORK--> >> > + </p> >> > >> > <p>The <code>audio</code> element is a <span>media element</span> >> > whose <span>media data</span> is ostensibly audio data.</p> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Commit-Watchers mailing list >> > Commit-Watchers@lists.whatwg.org >> > http://lists.whatwg.org/listinfo.cgi/commit-watchers-whatwg.org >> >> >> >
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