- From: Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com>
- Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:58:37 -0600
- To: Frank Olivier <Frank.Olivier@microsoft.com>
- Cc: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>, public-html <public-html@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CACQ=j+f94FP6vt_uyxALj-CqD0kD4KON9JQXv6kZzFFqLb0gTQ@mail.gmail.com>
I would suggest using "resource" instead of "file". It need not be stored in a "file". On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Frank Olivier <Frank.Olivier@microsoft.com>wrote: > I agree. "Text track file" is a more generic and apt description for all > the use cases you mentioned. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Silvia Pfeiffer [mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 6:39 PM > To: Frank Olivier > Cc: public-html > Subject: Issue 188 changes ("Generic Text Track") > > Hi Frank, > > Ian made the below changes to the HTML spec where he replaced the use of > "WebVTT file" with "caption file" because of the change proposal that was > accepted for issue 188 [1]. > > I'd like to raise my concerns about the term "caption file" and would > prefer we used something like "text track file", so we can continue to mark > up chapters and descriptions with such a file, too. Otherwise the HTML spec > can really only use <track> for captions and not for other kinds of data > (including subtitles, descriptions, chapters and metadata). > > Would you agree? > > Regards, > Silvia. > > [1] http://www.w3.org/wiki/ISSUE188/GenericTextTrack > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 9:42 AM: > > Author: ianh > > Date: 2012-04-19 16:42:42 -0700 (Thu, 19 Apr 2012) New Revision: 7060 > > > > Modified: > > complete.html > > index > > source > > Log: > > [e] (0) apply wg decision > > Affected topics: HTML > > > > Modified: complete.html > > =================================================================== > > --- complete.html 2012-04-19 22:54:19 UTC (rev 7059) > > +++ complete.html 2012-04-19 23:42:42 UTC (rev 7060) > > @@ -240,7 +240,7 @@ > > > > <header class=head id=head><p><a class=logo > > href=http://www.whatwg.org/><img alt=WHATWG height=101 > > src=/images/logo width=101></a></p> > > <hgroup><h1 class=allcaps>HTML</h1> > > - <h2 class="no-num no-toc">Living Standard — Last Updated 18 > > April 2012</h2> > > + <h2 class="no-num no-toc">Living Standard — Last Updated 19 > > + April 2012</h2> > > </hgroup><dl><dt><strong>Web developer edition:</strong></dt> > > <dd><strong><a > > href=http://developers.whatwg.org/>http://developers.whatwg.org/</a></ > > strong></dd> > > <dt>Multiple-page version:</dt> > > @@ -1525,6 +1525,10 @@ > > the "they're ugly" use case), because of a <a > > href=http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0786.html > > >working > > group chair decision from March 2012</a>.</li> > > > > + <li>The W3C HTML specification uses the term "caption file" in > > + place of "WebVTT file" in certain places, because of a <a > > + href=http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0557.ht > > + ml>working > > + group chair decision from March 2012</a>.</li> > > + > > </ul><p>The following sections are only published in the WHATWG > > specifications and are not currently available anywhere else:</p> > > > > @@ -26953,12 +26957,17 @@ > > provided, either as a separate track embedded in the video stream, > > or a separate audio track in an <code><a > > href=#the-audio-element>audio</a></code> element <a > > href=#slaved-media-elements title="slaved media elements">slaved</a> > > to the same controller > > as the <code><a href=#the-video-element>video</a></code> element(s), > > or in text form using a > > - <a href=#webvtt-file>WebVTT file</a> referenced using the <code><a > > href=#the-track-element>track</a></code> > > - element and synthesized into speech by the user agent. WebVTT can > > - also be used to provide chapter titles. For users who would rather > > - not use a media element at all, transcripts or other textual > > - alternatives can be provided by simply linking to them in the prose > > - near the <code><a href=#the-video-element>video</a></code> element. > > <a href=#refsWEBVTT>[WEBVTT]</a></p> > > + <a href=#webvtt-file>WebVTT file</a> <!--FORK--> > > + referenced using the <code><a > > +href=#the-track-element>track</a></code> element and synthesized into > > + speech by the user agent. WebVTT can also be used to provide > > +chapter > > + titles. For users who would rather not use a media element at all, > > + transcripts or other textual alternatives can be provided by simply > > + linking to them in the prose near the <code><a > href=#the-video-element>video</a></code> element. > > +<!--FORK--> > > + <a href=#refsWEBVTT>[WEBVTT]</a> > > +<!--FORK--> > > + </p> > > > > <p>The <code><a href=#the-video-element>video</a></code> element is > > a <a href=#media-element>media element</a> > > whose <a href=#media-data>media data</a> is ostensibly video data, > > possibly @@ -27311,9 +27320,16 @@ > > instead of the <code><a href=#the-audio-element>audio</a></code> > > element to play the audio, > > allowing users to enable the visual alternatives. Chapter titles can > > be provided to aid navigation, using the <code><a > > href=#the-track-element>track</a></code> element > > - and a WebVTT file. And, naturally, transcripts or other textual > > - alternatives can be provided by simply linking to them in the prose > > - near the <code><a href=#the-audio-element>audio</a></code> element. > > <a href=#refsWEBVTT>[WEBVTT]</a></p> > > + and a > > + <a href=#webvtt-file>WebVTT file</a>. > > +<!--FORK--> > > + And, naturally, transcripts or other textual alternatives can be > > + provided by simply linking to them in the prose near the > > + <code><a href=#the-audio-element>audio</a></code> element. > > +<!--FORK--> > > + <a href=#refsWEBVTT>[WEBVTT]</a> > > +<!--FORK--> > > + </p> > > > > <p>The <code><a href=#the-audio-element>audio</a></code> element is > > a <a href=#media-element>media element</a> > > whose <a href=#media-data>media data</a> is ostensibly audio > > data.</p> > > > > Modified: index > > =================================================================== > > --- index 2012-04-19 22:54:19 UTC (rev 7059) > > +++ index 2012-04-19 23:42:42 UTC (rev 7060) > > @@ -240,7 +240,7 @@ > > > > <header class=head id=head><p><a class=logo > > href=http://www.whatwg.org/><img alt=WHATWG height=101 > > src=/images/logo width=101></a></p> > > <hgroup><h1 class=allcaps>HTML</h1> > > - <h2 class="no-num no-toc">Living Standard — Last Updated 18 > > April 2012</h2> > > + <h2 class="no-num no-toc">Living Standard — Last Updated 19 > > + April 2012</h2> > > </hgroup><dl><dt><strong>Web developer edition:</strong></dt> > > <dd><strong><a > > href=http://developers.whatwg.org/>http://developers.whatwg.org/</a></ > > strong></dd> > > <dt>Multiple-page version:</dt> > > @@ -1525,6 +1525,10 @@ > > the "they're ugly" use case), because of a <a > > href=http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0786.html > > >working > > group chair decision from March 2012</a>.</li> > > > > + <li>The W3C HTML specification uses the term "caption file" in > > + place of "WebVTT file" in certain places, because of a <a > > + href=http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0557.ht > > + ml>working > > + group chair decision from March 2012</a>.</li> > > + > > </ul><p>The following sections are only published in the WHATWG > > specifications and are not currently available anywhere else:</p> > > > > @@ -26953,12 +26957,17 @@ > > provided, either as a separate track embedded in the video stream, > > or a separate audio track in an <code><a > > href=#the-audio-element>audio</a></code> element <a > > href=#slaved-media-elements title="slaved media elements">slaved</a> > > to the same controller > > as the <code><a href=#the-video-element>video</a></code> element(s), > > or in text form using a > > - <a href=#webvtt-file>WebVTT file</a> referenced using the <code><a > > href=#the-track-element>track</a></code> > > - element and synthesized into speech by the user agent. WebVTT can > > - also be used to provide chapter titles. For users who would rather > > - not use a media element at all, transcripts or other textual > > - alternatives can be provided by simply linking to them in the prose > > - near the <code><a href=#the-video-element>video</a></code> element. > > <a href=#refsWEBVTT>[WEBVTT]</a></p> > > + <a href=#webvtt-file>WebVTT file</a> <!--FORK--> > > + referenced using the <code><a > > +href=#the-track-element>track</a></code> element and synthesized into > > + speech by the user agent. WebVTT can also be used to provide > > +chapter > > + titles. For users who would rather not use a media element at all, > > + transcripts or other textual alternatives can be provided by simply > > + linking to them in the prose near the <code><a > href=#the-video-element>video</a></code> element. > > +<!--FORK--> > > + <a href=#refsWEBVTT>[WEBVTT]</a> > > +<!--FORK--> > > + </p> > > > > <p>The <code><a href=#the-video-element>video</a></code> element is > > a <a href=#media-element>media element</a> > > whose <a href=#media-data>media data</a> is ostensibly video data, > > possibly @@ -27311,9 +27320,16 @@ > > instead of the <code><a href=#the-audio-element>audio</a></code> > > element to play the audio, > > allowing users to enable the visual alternatives. Chapter titles can > > be provided to aid navigation, using the <code><a > > href=#the-track-element>track</a></code> element > > - and a WebVTT file. And, naturally, transcripts or other textual > > - alternatives can be provided by simply linking to them in the prose > > - near the <code><a href=#the-audio-element>audio</a></code> element. > > <a href=#refsWEBVTT>[WEBVTT]</a></p> > > + and a > > + <a href=#webvtt-file>WebVTT file</a>. > > +<!--FORK--> > > + And, naturally, transcripts or other textual alternatives can be > > + provided by simply linking to them in the prose near the > > + <code><a href=#the-audio-element>audio</a></code> element. > > +<!--FORK--> > > + <a href=#refsWEBVTT>[WEBVTT]</a> > > +<!--FORK--> > > + </p> > > > > <p>The <code><a href=#the-audio-element>audio</a></code> element is > > a <a href=#media-element>media element</a> > > whose <a href=#media-data>media data</a> is ostensibly audio > > data.</p> > > > > Modified: source > > =================================================================== > > --- source 2012-04-19 22:54:19 UTC (rev 7059) > > +++ source 2012-04-19 23:42:42 UTC (rev 7060) > > @@ -252,6 +252,11 @@ > > > > href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0786.htm > > l">working > > group chair decision from March 2012</a>.</li> > > > > + <li>The W3C HTML specification uses the term "caption file" in > > + place of "WebVTT file" in certain places, because of a <a > > + > > + href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0557.h > > + tml">working > > + group chair decision from March 2012</a>.</li> > > + > > </ul> > > > > <p>The following sections are only published in the WHATWG @@ > > -29024,12 +29029,20 @@ > > or a separate audio track in an <code>audio</code> element <span > > title="slaved media elements">slaved</span> to the same controller > > as the <code>video</code> element(s), or in text form using a > > - <span>WebVTT file</span> referenced using the <code>track</code> > > - element and synthesized into speech by the user agent. WebVTT can > > - also be used to provide chapter titles. For users who would rather > > - not use a media element at all, transcripts or other textual > > - alternatives can be provided by simply linking to them in the prose > > - near the <code>video</code> element. <a > > href="#refsWEBVTT">[WEBVTT]</a></p> > > +<!--END dev-html--><!--END complete--><!--FORK--> > > + caption file > > +<!--START dev-html--><!--START complete--><!--END > > +w3c-html--><!--FORK--> > > + <span>WebVTT file</span> > > +<!--START w3c-html--><!--FORK--> > > + referenced using the <code>track</code> element and synthesized > > +into > > + speech by the user agent. WebVTT can also be used to provide > > +chapter > > + titles. For users who would rather not use a media element at all, > > + transcripts or other textual alternatives can be provided by simply > > + linking to them in the prose near the <code>video</code> element. > > +<!--END w3c-html--><!--FORK--> > > + <a href="#refsWEBVTT">[WEBVTT]</a> > > +<!--START w3c-html--><!--FORK--> > > + </p> > > > > <p>The <code>video</code> element is a <span>media element</span> > > whose <span>media data</span> is ostensibly video data, possibly @@ > > -29425,9 +29438,19 @@ > > instead of the <code>audio</code> element to play the audio, > > allowing users to enable the visual alternatives. Chapter titles can > > be provided to aid navigation, using the <code>track</code> element > > - and a WebVTT file. And, naturally, transcripts or other textual > > - alternatives can be provided by simply linking to them in the prose > > - near the <code>audio</code> element. <a > > href="#refsWEBVTT">[WEBVTT]</a></p> > > + and a > > +<!--END dev-html--><!--END complete--><!--FORK--> > > + caption file. > > +<!--START dev-html--><!--START complete--><!--END > > +w3c-html--><!--FORK--> > > + <span>WebVTT file</span>. > > +<!--START w3c-html--><!--FORK--> > > + And, naturally, transcripts or other textual alternatives can be > > + provided by simply linking to them in the prose near the > > + <code>audio</code> element. > > +<!--END w3c-html--><!--FORK--> > > + <a href="#refsWEBVTT">[WEBVTT]</a> > > +<!--START w3c-html--><!--FORK--> > > + </p> > > > > <p>The <code>audio</code> element is a <span>media element</span> > > whose <span>media data</span> is ostensibly audio data.</p> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Commit-Watchers mailing list > > Commit-Watchers@lists.whatwg.org > > http://lists.whatwg.org/listinfo.cgi/commit-watchers-whatwg.org > > > >
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