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Re: follow up on the discussion in HTML5 about metadata access

From: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 09:14:49 +1000
Message-ID: <BANLkTimT4kcULTpLJsdxdRrYfLrSr6+BfA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>
Cc: Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi>, "tmichel@w3.org" <tmichel@w3.org>, "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>, "public-media-annotation@w3.org" <public-media-annotation@w3.org>
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com> wrote:
> EPUB3 is based on the XML serialization of HTML5+CSS (<http://idpf.org/epub/30/spec/epub30-overview.html>) and as such uses the same UA's (especially WebKit-based ones).   In addition, because it is simply a packaging of (X)HTML5 plus associated resources, it can indeed be placed on a server and transparency served up.

I'm not going to elaborate this any further, but once you package it
with additional resource and give it a different name, you have
created a new resource type that is not "just supported" by UAs. It's
not Web content any more. *Something* (e.g. a plugin, a Web
application) has to unpack it first before handing the individual
pieces one at a time to a UA for interpretation.


> Leonard
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Silvia Pfeiffer [mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 6:39 PM
> To: Leonard Rosenthol
> Cc: Henri Sivonen; tmichel@w3.org; public-html@w3.org; public-media-annotation@w3.org
> Subject: Re: follow up on the discussion in HTML5 about metadata access
> EPUB is not HTML, so it does not get interpreted by a HTML UA and
> therefore not exposed through the HTML IDL. Even if there is HTML
> somewhere in EPUB, you are not delivering a HTML file to the Web
> browser but an EPUB file. If you want to interpret EPUB markup in a
> Web browser you need a plugin.
> Silvia.
> On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 1:32 AM, Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com> wrote:
>> HTML is a markup language that can be (and is!) used in MANY DIFFERENT areas.  To limit it (and it's design/development) to the "Web" is short-sighted and will only lead to interoperability problems in the future.
>> Leonard
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Henri Sivonen [mailto:hsivonen@iki.fi]
>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 12:37 AM
>> To: Leonard Rosenthol
>> Cc: Silvia Pfeiffer; tmichel@w3.org; public-html@w3.org; public-media-annotation@w3.org
>> Subject: RE: follow up on the discussion in HTML5 about metadata access
>> On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 16:52 -0700, Leonard Rosenthol wrote:
>>> > Right now, all use cases discussed on the HTML WG list were solvable
>>> > with server-side APIs.
>>> >
>>> That is NOT true, Silvia!
>>> I raised a number of use cases for non-browser-based UAs - for example
>>> EPUB viewers - where server-side was NOT an option.
>> Why would an .epub book need to be able to introspect its own metadata
>> using a script?
>> As for viewers, if the viewer wants to do stuff with metadata, it can
>> implement whatever interfaces it wants for its own private use. They
>> don't have to be standardized or exposed to scripts provided by the book
>> itself.
>> (I tend to get skeptical when a Web API is motivated by non-Web uses.
>> The W3C has been down that road before. Has it ever been a good road?)
>> --
>> Henri Sivonen
>> hsivonen@iki.fi
>> http://hsivonen.iki.fi/
Received on Friday, 6 May 2011 23:15:37 UTC

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