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Re: device independent title attribute support in browsers and follow up question

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 10:26:53 +0100
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=KFaLPkPOSNNWWFeGPS7igb7hg9A@mail.gmail.com>
To: HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>, Charles McCathieNevile <chaals@opera.com>, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, David Bolter <dbolter@mozilla.com>, Adrian Bateman <adrianba@microsoft.com>, Cynthia Shelly <cyns@microsoft.com>, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
Hi all,

I originally requested feedback on April 19th, since the 2 vendors have
indicated that they have no plans to implement device independent access to
the title attribute.

Can it be taken that the lack of response from Apple and Opera that they
also have no plans?

I published some data on title attribute usage on a few web pages,

Of the pages checked approximatley 90% of title attribute content was a
duplicate or similar to the text content of the element the title attribute
was associated with.

*A further question:*

Do any vendors have plans to follow webkit's lead and display the title
attribute content in place of an image when the image is not rendered?

*Note:* if so the HTML5 spec will require updating as it currently forbids
alt and title to be displayed in the same way :

"The alt attribute does not represent advisory information. User agents must
not present the contents of the alt attribute in the same way as content of
the title attribute."

Details of  support in 2010 for title and alt display on images is

alt and title content display in popular browsers


On 19 April 2011 09:37, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> A recent decision by the HTML working group makes it conforming to
> provide caption content for images whilst omitting the alt attribute.
> This is problematic because while alt is designed to be presented to
> users when the image cannot be viewed, and it is implemented as such.
> The title attribute is for advisory information that should be
> available to all users at any time. This is not the case and has never
> been the case in any graphical browser.
> Can any of the representatives from browser vendors provide
> information as to when the title attribute will be implemented so:
> * keyboard only users are aware that a title attribute is present on an
> element?
> * keyboard only users are able to access the title attribute content
> on an element using the keyboard?
> * The display of the title attribute content is configurable so that
> users of screen magnifiers are able view title attribute content
> within the viewport?
> * access to title attribute content will be available on mobile and
> touch browsers?
> --
> with regards
> Steve Faulkner

with regards

Steve Faulkner
Technical Director - TPG

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