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Re: Bug 7034

From: Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi>
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:08:03 +0300
Cc: HTMLwg WG <public-html@w3.org>
Message-Id: <C0BCCB9A-A73F-4748-91E4-F03EAB0D2ADA@iki.fi>
To: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>
On Mar 27, 2010, at 18:30, Leif Halvard Silli wrote:

> Henri Sivonen, Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:31:45 +0200:
>> On Mar 24, 2010, at 04:08, Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
>>> To give a specific example, I would like to consistently avoid 
>>> presentational markup on the webkit.org, but I do not want to add an 
>>> xmlns declaration to every page.
>> 
>> I sometimes create Web pages in OpenOffice.org Writer/Web but want to 
>> make the pages conform to my site CSS. I find that to spot all the 
>> cruft it's not sufficient to look for markup that HTML5 bans but that 
>> looking for style="..." and <span> is also necessary.
> 
> When it comes to exporting HTML/XHTML from word processors, then a 
> <span style="font-weight:bold"> or a <span class="bold"> is appears 
> much less semantic to an author, overlooking the code, than e.g. a 
> simple <b> would do. The "export something from a word processor" use 
> case is one were a degree of presentational mark-up seems much more 
> useful than e.g. only the elements of HTML4 strict.

OpenOffice.org Writer and OpenOffice.org Writer/Web are not the same thing. (OpenOffice.org Writer/Web doesn't typically have an entry point of its own in the Applications menu on Gnome. To start OpenOffice.org Writer/Web, choose File: New: HTML Document in OO.o.)

Thus, my use case is not "export something from a word processor". My use case is authoring a document in an HTML editor whose GUI features exceed the features of HTML so it's easy to accidentally use a feature that injects inline CSS without asking.

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Henri Sivonen
hsivonen@iki.fi
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