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Presentational markup (was: Re: Bug 7034)

From: Anne van Kesteren <annevk@opera.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 23:49:24 +0100
To: "Maciej Stachowiak" <mjs@apple.com>, "Sam Ruby" <rubys@intertwingly.net>
Cc: "Leif Halvard Silli" <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>, "David Singer" <singer@apple.com>, "Henri Sivonen" <hsivonen@iki.fi>, "Philip Taylor" <pjt47@cam.ac.uk>, "HTMLwg WG" <public-html@w3.org>
Message-ID: <op.u93gcmjm64w2qv@annevk-t60>
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 23:32:08 +0100, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>  
> On 03/24/2010 06:40 AM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
>> On Mar 24, 2010, at 3:37 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Oct/0961.html
>> Awesome, thanks for the reference!
> Agreed.  My problem is consistency.  I see some of the same people who  
> have stated that longdesc has been tried and failed for over 10 years  
> advocating that such markup be considered non-conforming, and I see  
> evidence that a substantial number of sites are willfully violating  
> admonitions against presentational markup... again over 10 years later.

But it is also easy to find a whole lot that do it correctly. There lots  
of sites dedicated to showing of such sites even, including specifically  
for those that target HTML5 conformance. It is vastly different from the  
longdesc attribute in that respect as far as I can tell.

> One of the things that attracted me to HTML5 was that it purported to  
> document the web as it exists as opposed to other efforts at the W3C  
> which intended to change the web to their vision as to how it should be.

Can't we have a mix of pragmatism and idealism?

Anne van Kesteren
Received on Wednesday, 24 March 2010 22:50:15 UTC

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