- From: Joe D Williams <joedwil@earthlink.net>
- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:04:57 -0800
- To: "Ian Hickson" <ian@hixie.ch>, "Maciej Stachowiak" <mjs@apple.com>
- Cc: "Richard Schwerdtfeger" <schwer@us.ibm.com>, "James Craig" <jcraig@apple.com>, <public-canvas-api@w3.org>, "HTML WG" <public-html@w3.org>, "David Singer" <singer@apple.com>
> I entirely agree. This is exactly the problem I have with Richard's > proposed fallback markup. I agree with some of the problems but the main thing is, I just think the plan is not a fallback. It seems to me to look like this is fundamental stuff to get the canvas2d in a window to be interactive with a sighted viewer using a mouse and that user expects the author has provided the same functionality from 2d <canvas> as from an ordinary scripted and styled html/svg/x3d select interaction, The user might expect many features to work just like in a "live" media. This is not "free" in <canvas>. You, the author, has to build it from scratch or else leverage some screen and pointer mapping or whatever. It is wide open. As a system like that evolves it may be possible to somehow model it in a way to be marked up using aria so its interactive features are recognizable to AT. but the common problem to all embedded elements is that navigation details may be in a different context. For example in html, svg, and x3d even though they may be embedded content, their interactive elements can use aria notation, and state information can be transferred back and forth between the parent and nested contexts programatically. The idea of abstracting some interface information into a non-rendered container that is optionally included in embedded content elements could work in canvas, object, image/map, iframe, embed, etc.as a way to model the authors plan for interactions. Maybe without the need to look at the embedded content user code in detail for hints. So now it begins to look more like actual fallback to me because maybe the most natural way to produce a model of a canvas interactivity, or of any other interactive embedded content, is a set of ordinary html controls marked up with aria. If content doesn't play or needs help and user interaction is important, then what better alternative than nice clean aria annotated html controls as a replacement/augmentation? Also, just thinking that a more accessible pattern and surely less authoring work esp for canvas2d is have most or all controls outside the embedded content in the parent html. In that case, maybe problem is mostly solved. . Thanks and Best Regards, Joe
Received on Saturday, 23 January 2010 17:05:48 UTC