- From: Shelley Powers <shelley.just@gmail.com>
- Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:06:18 -0600
- To: HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the potential problems we'll have in the future if the W3C continues with publishing both Microdata and RDFa documents. The first of the battles appeared in a Wikipedia tech email list, beginning with an email from Aryeh Gregor[1], followed by an email from Manu Sporny [2], and from Philip Jägenstedt [3]. We are only now, starting to make inroads when it comes to people incorporating metadata into their sites and their tools. We have only now, starting seeing payback, as search engines and other tools incorporate this data. We have barely begun taking significant steps towards the vision of a semantic web many of us have hoped for over the years. Now, just when people have started taking first steps in incorporating metadata, the W3C publishes two competing metadata-in-HTML WD. I do not work for an implementor, which seems to imbue one with super human markup skills, so you'll have to excuse me if what I perceive support for competing standards by the same standards organization seems to me to be, well, forgive my frankness, the dumbest thing the W3C has done since blink. Sure, other organizations can pick up Microdata, and there will still exist competing metadata-in-HTML standards, but such an action wouldn't cause the confusion that is going to happen in the future, when one standards organization seemingly supports two competing standards. I suppose one could say that HTML and XHTML were competing, but both were really a different serialization of the same model. I suppose one could say the same about Microdata and RDFa, but they are not the same, they both don't support the same models. More importantly, there is a major difference in impetus for both groups: one wants to support metadata, the other seemingly wants to kill the first. What really irritates me, and I'm going to toy around the edges with this thought in order to be "politically expedient", is that Microdata was nothing more than a counter to RDFa. It was proposed by a person who doesn't believe in metadata; it's supported by people who don't believe in metadata, and as far as I can see, the only thing these folks believe in, is they don't like RDFa. Publishing a FPWD supposedly doesn't _mean_ anything. It doesn't _mean_ that the W3C officially supports the spec. It doesn't _mean_ that the spec will achieve release. Frankly, I don't care about the mechanics of the W3C. What I do care about is that the front page of this Working Group will feature a link to the RDFa document, a link to the Microdata document, and people will be running around in email lists with the same bickering that has weighed this group down. Bickering that seemingly has now transcended the borders of our effort. The World Wide Web probably doesn't know how lucky it's been, until now. All of this combined will have the end result of convincing people to do _nothing_ about metadata, rather than have to deal with our squabbles; a result which, frankly, probably also suits the Microdata folks, since at least RDFa won't be used. Microdata has, in effect, become a poison pill for metadata. If the people who support Microdata had done so in years past, before RDFa, or even complementary to RDFa, at least I would have assumed it would be because those behind Microdata were actually interested in the semantic web, in metadata. This is not the case, though. They frankly don't care. If they did, we would have seen more libraries, more use, more interest, and definitely more evangelism, before this group made the decision to remove Microdata from HTML5. We saw nothing more than a couple of trial implementations when Microdata was in HTML5, a couple of blog posts--tepid enthusiasm, because Microdata proponents don't really believe in metadata. Well, not until this group decided to remove Microdata from the HTML5 spec.Forgive me, again, for being blunt: is this sudden interest and evangelism the result of disappointment, and a desire to increase the support for metadata? Or a push to win at all costs? No, after reading the Wikipedia tech emails, I do object to a FPWD of Microdata. I realize this group could publish the WD anyway, and that there is no recourse to a formal objection, since we're not advancing the document. I would hope, though, that this group stops, and takes a good long look at what we're doing to the web community, before we act casually in this regard. Shelley [1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2010-January/046382.html [2] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2010-January/046382.html [3] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2010-January/046387.html
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