- From: Boris Zbarsky <bzbarsky@MIT.EDU>
- Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:51:18 -0400
- To: Justin James <j_james@mindspring.com>
- CC: public-html@w3.org
On 10/27/09 8:40 PM, Justin James wrote:
> Please keep in mind, this is a combination of feedback from folks in
> general. Nothing specific. The overall idea is that people want a simplified
> version of HTML, that does not require CSS, with a low barrier to entry.
So they want HTML 3.2, right? This exists....
> They want it to be considered conforming and valid by the current HTML spec.
Why?
> iframe would only be a winner of a solution if DOCTYPE worked the way most
> HTML authors think it works
Why?
> Overall, casual HTML authors just *despise* CSS.
Sure. Just like casual word processor users despise stylesheet features
in word processors or systems like LaTeX when they run into them. I
understand where they're coming from. I just don't make the connection
between their desire for a presentation-oriented markup language
(presumably because wysiwyg HTML editors are not filling their needs?)
and HTML5, when it seems that HTML 3.2 fills their needs perfectly well.
> I can definitely understand why there are a lot of people who are
> really upset at the increasing complexity of HTML, starting with version 4.
The big change in HTML4 was a conscious move away from HTML being
treated as a wysiwyg authoring language and towards being a semantic
markup language. This immediately introduces a level of indirection
most people aren't used to dealing with in content they author, where
you have to describe what you _mean_, not what you want it to look like.
Again, I can understand all that. What I can't quite understand is
why we have a set of people who apparently want to:
1) Make use of presenational markup (understandable on its own, sure).
2) Have their documents validate as HTML5 (understandable on its own,
sure, largely for bureaucratic reasons)
The existence of such a demographic is the crux of the issue here, right?
Received on Wednesday, 28 October 2009 00:52:04 UTC