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Re: Shrinking HTML5 some more — Anne’s Weblog

From: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:30:23 -0400
Message-ID: <49D12BDF.3080006@intertwingly.net>
To: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
CC: Anne van Kesteren <annevk@opera.com>, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>, "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>
Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
> On Mar 30, 2009, at 5:30 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>> Is someone willing to volunteer to work with and M. Duerst and M. 
>> Suignard to see to it that the revision is something that is usable by 
>> the HTML 5 Working Draft?
>> Alternatives: DanC continues to pursue a separate draft, or Ian 
>> continues include this section in HTML 5.
> Pardon if this is stating the obvious, but to make an informed decision 
> we need to know the following:
> 1) What specifically are the processing differences between LEIRIs and 
> Web Addresses (or HTML5 pre-processed URIs if you prefer)? It seems like 
> some of these are know, but not all.
> 2) Are the current IRI/LEIRI editors amenable to making changes for 
> real-world compatibility?
>  From my point of view, it is essential to have a specification that 
> correctly describes what user agents must do to process URLs in public 
> Web content. It would be even better if that were the primary officially 
> IETF spec for *R*s, but having at least one correct specification is 
> more important than consolidation. So we should figure out if a unified 
> spec would be able to match real-world constraints before we sign on for 
> it.
> Having worked on Safari since its inception, I very clearly recall the 
> amount of crazy reverse engineering we had to do to figure out URL 
> processing, after initially naively assuming that the URI RFC specified 
> what we had to do. It took multiple releases to get closer to the actual 
> de facto standard, and I'm not even 100% sure we are there today. This 
> is definitely a significant barrier to entry for any tool that wants to 
> process Web content and we should definitely work to get it fixed.

DanC is "sort of volunteering"[1].  His approach of collecting test 
cases in order to have a more productive discussion along the lines of 
the questions you are asking seems eminently sane to me.  If you would 
happen to have any, I'm sure he would appreciate it.

> Regards,
> Maciej

[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Mar/0709.html
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