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Re: an interoperable object (fallback and context menus)

From: Boris Zbarsky <bzbarsky@MIT.EDU>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:29:20 -0400
Message-ID: <49B9B6F0.1040705@mit.edu>
To: Robert J Burns <rob@robburns.com>
CC: HTMLWG <public-html@w3.org>
Robert J Burns wrote:
> I don't have firefox 2.0 handy/installed anymore, so I'm only speaking 
> from memory. I think with 2.0, firefox behaved more like IE8 does now 
> (and Opera, and WebKit  too) in that it provided some default non-zero 
> dimensions for the embedded content.

Ah.  No, it did not.  Just double-checked to be sure on your test pages: 
the flash video object gets a 0x0 size; setting some width/height styles 
on the node shows the flash video.

> If plugins are limited to NSAPI , then I can understand 
> how you cannot necessarily communicate inherent dimensions of media 
> between plugin and browser, however there's no reason to assume zero 
> height and width and provide no temporal controls to users.

The problem is that there is no reasonable width/height to assume, 
really.  A further problem the last time I looked at this was that 
assuming something other than 0x0 actually broke web pages that relied 
on the IE6/IE7 behavior.

> Also, perhaps we should consider addressing the plugin api problems 
> though incubating a new plugin architecture.

Possibly, though this particular issue really could be solved by adding 
an API for intrinsic sizing to NPAPI in Gecko; there's been a bug on 
that for a while now.

-Boris
Received on Friday, 13 March 2009 01:30:05 UTC

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