- From: David Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>
- Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:38:46 -0500
- To: <sailesh.panchang@deque.com>
- Cc: "'Ian Hickson'" <ian@hixie.ch>, "'Gregory J. Rosmaita'" <oedipus@hicom.net>, "'Leif Halvard Silli'" <lhs@malform.no>, "'Maciej Stachowiak'" <mjs@apple.com>, "'James Graham'" <jgraham@opera.com>, "'Joshue O Connor'" <joshue.oconnor@cfit.ie>, "'Steve Axthelm'" <steveax@pobox.com>, "'Steven Faulkner'" <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>, "'Simon Pieters'" <simonp@opera.com>, "'HTMLWG'" <public-html@w3.org>, <wai-xtech@w3.org>, <wai-liaison@w3.org>, <janina@rednote.net>, "'Dan Connolly'" <connolly@w3.org>, "'Matt Morgan-May'" <mattmay@adobe.com>, "'Julian Reschke'" <julian.reschke@gmx.de>, "'W3C WAI Protocols & Formats'" <w3c-wai-pf@w3.org>
One thing we need to do is make summary for data tables visible regardless of what html 4 says. Why? because as has been stated, it aids with the cognative load in many instances and something perhaps not thought of if I am using screen mag software, I might not be able to get the entire table in view at once thereby breaking my view of it so the summary would help me to pick out the interesting bits. Also, making summary visible might encourage authors to get it right. On Feb 24, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Sailesh Panchang wrote: In HTML4 the summary attribute for a (data) table has the limited objective of aiding non-visual users. So visual browsers do not expose it. I do not see any flaw there. Experience in accessing content via a visual interface is quite different from accessing content via an auditory / Braille interface and the summary is meant for this group of users. When developers who have limited or no understanding of auditory interface are tasked with writing summaries for data tables one cannot expect to see summaries that are really helpful, well written and concise. As all agree, not every table needs a summary. A summary should contain one or both of: i. A brief description of the structure for complex tables if content is grouped by rows / columns : when colspan / rowspan are used. Also useful to indicate that data is sortable etc. ii. Key trends / highlights that are at once noticeable in a large data table Sometimes, even for a simple 2-column table that has only row headers and no column headers, a summary that tells the user to set the screen reader to read only row headers is also useful! If one wants to extend the objective of summary attribute, and make it available to all users, there will certainly be authors and users who do not need it and resist it. If it is meant for all users, it is possible it may be worded a little differently. When an author does indeed want to explain the table's design or other highlights, he/she would write a separate paragraph as part of normal content- then no summary would be needed. So my point is why are people trying to assign new roles / meanings for the summary attribute? Again just because some folks have used it incorrectly / misused it without really understanding what it is about, does not justify redefining it. Thanks, Sailesh Panchang Accessibility Services Manager (Web and Software) Deque Systems Inc. (www.deque.com) 11130 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite #140, Reston VA 20191 Phone: 703-225-0380 (ext 105) E-mail: sailesh.panchang@deque.com -- Jonnie Appleseed with his Hands-On Technolog(eye)s reducing technology's disabilities one byte at a time
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